Wanted fedi resource: a list that's just "if an instance has blocked any of these instances, it's an utter clowncar you shouldn't even think about joining, and probably should move away from if you're there".
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just adriennereplied to Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian: on last edited by
@ariadne @julie @dalias Yeah, i think those are from Christians United for Israel. Which was founded by John Hagee (spits), who is viciously antisemitic in that way that manifests as philosemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee
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@breadguyyy @dalias @adrienne @julie well it is true, i did used to buy my gas at CITGO
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JustCarereplied to Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian: on last edited by
@ariadne @dalias I didn’t say that at all. I think there’s plenty of valid criticisms of Israel. I do it quite often.
But this thread was, if i read it correctly, mentioning instance-level blocks, specifically dair, which is partly run by Timnit Gebru.
My point was that Timnit’s angle on AIPAC may be shaped by some things deeper than actual lobbying laws or Israel.
But condoning October 7, on October 7, is pretty gross from any angle.
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@louis @dalias i don’t follow. one post says that Israel will likely retaliate in an escalatory manner (it did). the other post alleges that the US supports Israel without any strings attached (this may have been true at one time but seems less true now).
I think Israel had justification to take action to hold Hamas accountable, but they had options to do so in a more surgical way.
in reality everyone who lives in and around Gaza are all victims of a mutually-beneficial power struggle that strengthens the far-right and the terrorist group Hamas, which is largely enabled by the antisemitic fetishization of Israel by US evangelicals who are only interested in setting up what they believe to be the preconditions for armageddon.
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JustCarereplied to Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian: on last edited by
@ariadne @dalias I think most of that take is perfectly reasonable. Especially considering how devolved such discussions can get so quickly.
My point was, primarily, regarding Timnit’s suggestion that October 7 wasn’t unprovoked. (Sorry for the double-negative but I wanted to use the same word she used).
That is functionally the same as victim blaming and justifying for the horrific and intentional brutality and promotion of October 7.
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@louis @dalias my point more largely, however, is that Hamas doesn't exist in a vacuum. they thrive in a political situation that is largely driven by evangelicals who have an agenda that is ultimately based on an antisemitic fetishization of Israel.
if those evangelicals were no longer able to pursue their agenda, then the geopolitical situation would change significantly and the region would be more stable overall.
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@ariadne @louis @dalias
Without any statements of what to do about it, I'm going to agree with Louis here: the linked statement oversimplifies the situation, and discounts a legitimate grievance.This was one of my thoughts immediately after the October attack, that it was retaliatory and that Netanyahu would use this as an excuse for the kind of violence he's always wanted to do, but at the same time, hundreds of civilians had been murdered, many of whom weren't taking part in anything that they were retaliating against, many because they were born in Israel and might even have been too young: the Hamas terrorists killed a lot of children that day.
Those people weren't being retaliated against, their deaths were used as a tool for retaliation.
We need to not discount the fact that there was in fact a violent attack against civilians at the beginning of this here: the path to peace will not come from ignoring the legitimate grievances of either side.
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Rich Felkerreplied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: on last edited by
@Raccoon @ariadne @[email protected] The people who were and are being retaliated against are not in any way a party to the original atrocity. Any harm to them is a war crime and crime against humanity. Your statement amounts to genocide apologism.
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