Wanted fedi resource: a list that's just "if an instance has blocked any of these instances, it's an utter clowncar you shouldn't even think about joining, and probably should move away from if you're there".
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I grew up in a Christian Zionist church. Can confirm that this is the only reason Christian Zionists care about Jews and Israel at all.
More specifically, many of them believe that Russia is prophesied to invade Israel, and that will trigger the events of the end time prophecies of Ezekiel and Revelation.
That is why they support Israel's war. That is why they support Russia. The more unrest, the closer they get to the trumpets sounding. -
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@adrienne @dalias yeah that's why my grandmother bought in so hard. at one point she even proposed we *move there* during the Bush administration (oh the irony of an "anti war" person being zionist is not lost on me).
my argument always was "but oklahoma is just fine, and israel is likely even hotter than here."
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@ariadne @julie @dalias Yeah, i think those are from Christians United for Israel. Which was founded by John Hagee (spits), who is viciously antisemitic in that way that manifests as philosemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee
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@breadguyyy @dalias @adrienne @julie well it is true, i did used to buy my gas at CITGO
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@ariadne @dalias I didn’t say that at all. I think there’s plenty of valid criticisms of Israel. I do it quite often.
But this thread was, if i read it correctly, mentioning instance-level blocks, specifically dair, which is partly run by Timnit Gebru.
My point was that Timnit’s angle on AIPAC may be shaped by some things deeper than actual lobbying laws or Israel.
But condoning October 7, on October 7, is pretty gross from any angle.
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@louis @dalias i don’t follow. one post says that Israel will likely retaliate in an escalatory manner (it did). the other post alleges that the US supports Israel without any strings attached (this may have been true at one time but seems less true now).
I think Israel had justification to take action to hold Hamas accountable, but they had options to do so in a more surgical way.
in reality everyone who lives in and around Gaza are all victims of a mutually-beneficial power struggle that strengthens the far-right and the terrorist group Hamas, which is largely enabled by the antisemitic fetishization of Israel by US evangelicals who are only interested in setting up what they believe to be the preconditions for armageddon.
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@ariadne @dalias I think most of that take is perfectly reasonable. Especially considering how devolved such discussions can get so quickly.
My point was, primarily, regarding Timnit’s suggestion that October 7 wasn’t unprovoked. (Sorry for the double-negative but I wanted to use the same word she used).
That is functionally the same as victim blaming and justifying for the horrific and intentional brutality and promotion of October 7.