"In this moment, … it is clear that women have electoral and political power over more than abortion rights.

Truth Or Consequences ✅

On one hand, you could vote for an old, orange, deranged, make-up wearing con-artist rapist and felon or a young, intelligent, compassionate adult.... and some people are having a hard time deciding?

Pat

@wdlindsy

I am not at all surprised that the pundit class finally saw the elephant in the room the last weekend of a historic election.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Terypat Well-stated. Yes, count me unsurprised, too. I've come to see that the middle name of that surfeited, arrogant class is Shameless.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Savvyhomestead Touché.

William Lindsey :toad:

@tlariv @timo21 Kristol is far from a hero of mine. I excerpt material here from people whose worldview I don't share, people of whom I am highly critical. At the same time, I think that the threat we now face from rising fascism is so serious that it behooves us to set aside our differences if we are united in the common goal of pushing back that rising tide of fascism. And when people of his ilk say something sensible, I therefore share it, if it seems worth sharing.

William Lindsey :toad:

@akamran I had a conversation about that very thing just a few days ago with a friend whose nieces and nephews are all being homeschooled or taught in church-based schools in our right-wing little red state. She thinks the education they are receiving is deplorable and fears for the future, when so many young folks are being "educated" in this way.

William Lindsey :toad:

@mustseek No, I suspect that many of them imagine this won't reach them.

William Lindsey :toad:

@samhkennedy I can't answer your question, unfortunately, since I'm not among those people to whom your final question refers. To me, it seems incomprehensible that there are people who imagine that older women would not be intently concerned about the circumstances and future of their daughters and granddaughters.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Piousunyn Yes, I agree.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Nonya_Bidniss I think we have to wait and see what happens, for sure.

Stu Duerson, machina exo deus

@wdlindsy

If men are having trouble comprehending this message, they should be speaking to women over the age of 70. They've lived the transition into Dobbs. I remember the era well.

They knew. They know. And the way they're breaking against Trump in this election clearly demonstrates their opinion that this constituted an important part of their identity.

Personally, I don't get the argument to suppress women. When men elevate women, we elevate ourselves. If this were about male bodily autonomy, my god, would the pitchforks come out!

Runyan50

@wdlindsy 3% to RFK, Jr? How ironic. And he is on the Iowa ballot. Chef’s Kiss!

Runyan50

@wdlindsy Next we go after the billionaires who promoted the abortion bans, the LGBTQ+ hate, and the support of murdering Russians that nobody wanted. Time for a reckoning and an end to billionaires.

geographile

@wdlindsy this was a great discussion, I loved knowing how her poll works

William Lindsey :toad:

@geographile Yes, it helped me understand something that's very murky to me, since I don't have a head for math and figures, so polling is usually mystifying to me. I'm glad to learn more about her.

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@Runyan50 Amen.

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@Runyan50 And to think that there were people saying loudly and stupidly that he was not a Republican plant to divide the Democratic vote, but a bona fide alternative Democrat.

William Lindsey :toad:

@skydog I think men in general have long since been overdue when it comes to paying close attention to the wisdom and insight of women of all ages. Good comments!