The warning bell keeps clanging.

William Lindsey :toad:

@thomastraynor Same here. We often listened to him as we ate our family supper in silence; our table for everyday meals (as distinguished from holiday meals in the dining room) was in our den in front of the t.v. He shaped my idea of what a good, honorable journalist is all about!

William Lindsey :toad:

@Abelle Same for my family. Ditto for Roger Mudd and Dan Rather.

William Lindsey :toad:

@blackburied Yes, good points, valuable history for us to remember now.

William Lindsey :toad:

@nanowiz @ajaykaul10 Definitely hella.

William Lindsey :toad:

@ajaykaul10 Yes, for sure.

William Lindsey :toad:

@MiriShuli He was another good one — and Molly Ivins, though her métier was the pen and not the microphone. I miss them all!

William Lindsey :toad:

@aka_quant_noir Yes, for sure.

William Lindsey :toad:

@phaedral That's right.

Boots Chantilly

@wdlindsy God, I miss her so much. @MiriShuli

William Lindsey :toad:

@phaedral Indeed. I'll never forget my shock and disgust at seeing a Trump sign go up in the yard of a neighbor the very day after that story broke. I totally lost any respect for the people living in that house at that point.

William Lindsey :toad:

@IveyJanette I know so little about the history of the LA Times, that I'm not sure I'm really understanding what you mean. You mean they're cheering Garza?

William Lindsey :toad:

@wobweger You're welcome. I'm glad the thread was helpful.

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@phaedral I agree.

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@philip_cardella Yes. Along those lines, after seeing the film Moffie last year, I got ahold of the book on which the film is based, and found the story it tells of the confluence of deep racism, religion, and toxic masculinity in South African white culture — a story told by an insider — very disturbing. But also very true-sounding.

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@JosephMeyer Thanks so much for letting me know they're worthwhile. I share your exhaustion and commiserate with you. I try to maintain hope, but by nature, I tend to be a more glass-half-empty personality than an optimistic one. It's trueling.

William Lindsey :toad:

@CatHerder Yes, I remember not sleeping at all that night. It was like a truck had rolled over me. On social media, I kept encountering people living in places unlike my deep red little state dominated by white evangelicals who were laughing and mocking and thinking Trump was a joke and couldn't possibly win. I knew better, but even so, was deeply shocked at the outcome, even though I expected him to win.

William Lindsey :toad:

@zachvat Yes, a good point. I myself haven't watched news on t.v. or streamed on my computer for a very long time. It's just no longer how I absorb news, though that was the norm when I was growing up, along with newspapers, of which my family always took two daily.

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@Dzeep So it seems.

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@GreenRoc I honestly don't see a distinction between people being obedient sheep and also wanting to exterminate people they don't like. I think fascism thrives on convincing many of us that if we obey, toe the line, be "good," we won't get the punishments we'd like to see the fascist leader dish out to those other "bad" people we despise.

William Lindsey :toad:

@HolgerFiallo I've long thought that many of those who claim to be undecided are really Republican voters too ashamed to say so openly.