I see a lot of the drama that is happening between people of color on the platform and the mastodon dev team.
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@jlink I don't work on the project. You should talk to people who do.
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A Wolf in Cheap Clothingreplied to Marco Rogers on last edited by
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Pete๐ธ๐ถ๐๐ฝ๐โฎ๐๐๐ญreplied to โจeasily traumatized nihilistโจ on last edited by
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If I say, up front, "these are my credentials", they can be dismissed as not good enough. If I don't give my credentials I can be dismissed as not good enough, because of where I was born, and my skin pigmentation.
This is neo-racism.
The way to solve racism is not more racism.
I use the phrase "myth of race" based upon Robert Sussman's book which I have read, and the term "neo-racism" based upon Coleman Hughs' The End of Race Politics, which I have also read.
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@polotek
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Marco Rogersreplied to Yisrael Dov :emacs: :nixos: on last edited by
@yisraeldov @mloxton what makes you say this is the "best thing"? For who exactly?
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@mloxton help how?
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Marco Rogersreplied to Pete๐ธ๐ถ๐๐ฝ๐โฎ๐๐๐ญ on last edited by
@pete @itsmeholland @joefox it sounds like you're not actually willing to provide the information I asked for. Thanks anyway Pete. I wish you well on your journey of trying hard to understand. There are a lot of other books to read, so I'm sure you'll be fine. Cheers.
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Marco Rogersreplied to A Wolf in Cheap Clothing on last edited by
@AWolfInCheapClothing it doesn't. What next?
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Yisrael Dov :emacs: :nixos:replied to Marco Rogers on last edited by
@polotek @mloxton My experience with the huge amount of anti-semitisim on mastodon, is that the best solution has been to confront it publicly.
But I do know that when prejudice is considered acceptable, it is hard to do anything about it. I know that people on this thread want to discount the prejudice that I've dealt with, especially in the tech industry.
I'm happy to discuss more, but the people on your thread seem to attribute to me ulterior motives.
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Marco Rogersreplied to Yisrael Dov :emacs: :nixos: on last edited by
@yisraeldov @mloxton I don't read it that way. You just sound naive and incurious about why your simplistic way of viewing things hasn't actually succeeded at changing the world yet.
It sounds like it's based entirely on what you've personally seen and experienced. You might consider that there are quiet a lot of other people who are not you. And maybe they've experienced something different.
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Yisrael Dov :emacs: :nixos:replied to Marco Rogers on last edited by
@polotek @mloxton I'm curious about why you would think that. Both that I'm incurious or that I haven't seen much? Also what is simplistic? I'd like to understand more about exactly what your seeing and to hear, but if I ask questions I got accused of "sealioning" (new word for me).
That being said, I've experienced quite a bit. Happy to expand if needed.
Also, what is my "simplistic way of viewing the world?". I don't think I've expressed my world view.
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@polotek
My guess is that some of the racism becomes tangible because of elements in the structure and design of the app and configuration and policies implemented by the devs. Having more BIPoC people on those teams might help identify those elements and make changes that reduced the degree and depth of racism manifesting itself? -
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@yisraeldov @mloxton I didn't say you haven't seen much. I said there are a lot of people who are not you. And your stance seems to be based on what you yourself have seen and experienced. If you're saying you think you've seen enough to speak to the experience of people very different from you, then yes, I'm calling that naive.
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@mloxton whenever you find yourself thinking that sending Black people into potentially unfriendly environments will somehow solve a race problem, you should probably stop and rethink things.
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Yisrael Dov :emacs: :nixos:replied to Marco Rogers on last edited by
@polotek That is not what I was saying, I was saying that I have experienced lots of prejudice in my life and I think that comparing notes is helpful.
Also can you point out to what stance I seemed to have said?
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Marco Rogersreplied to Yisrael Dov :emacs: :nixos: on last edited by
@yisraeldov nobody is misunderstanding you. You said explicitly "pointing out specific examples is best". That's not comparing notes. That's stating a bias. If you'd like to change that stance, feel free to do so. But please stop treating other people like they can't read.
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@yisraeldov in fact, I'm not interested in this conversation at all anymore. So we can solve your problem problem by just parting ways. Cheers.
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Yisrael Dov :emacs: :nixos:replied to Marco Rogers on last edited by
@polotek Really I don't understand all the aggression. And that response was not directed at you, but it was at @mloxton 's dismissive comment.
You, @polotek , I would be happy to compare notes with.
But when I feel like people like @mloxton just is trying to discredit my experiences, I'm going to give him a canned simpleton response.
Also the people lying that I was kicked from servers etc.. that gave me a bad feeling for the whole thread. I've never been kicked from any server.