I see a lot of the drama that is happening between people of color on the platform and the mastodon dev team.

Marco Rogers

@pete there were lots of other signals. Like the phrase "the myth of race". The journey that white people have to go on to understand these things is well documented. You're giving off lots of signals that you're not very far along. It doesn't make you a bad person. It does probably make it a waste of my time to engage with you.

I hope that helps explain where I'm coming from. And I sincerely hope you find somebody who is willing to spend more time educating you. But it won't be me. Take care.

Joe Fox

@polotek @pete for someone to make this post, it sounds very much like he/she is trying to understand.

Marco Rogers

@joefox @pete we disagree on that. It sounds like you haven't had a ton of experience with people engaging in bad faith on this topic. It almost always starts out sounding exactly like this.

Joe Fox

@polotek @pete True, I may have less experience.

damon

@jdp23 @polotek @julian that’s a great idea

Marco Rogers

@blogdiva @timbray I wasn't being facetious in the slightest.

Tim Bray

@polotek @blogdiva I think the two most interesting Fediverse problems are, by far, (1) moderation and (2) financial/organizational sustainability. The tech is boring. Fortunately the tech is also acceptably cheap to operate - my thumbnail estimates are less than $2 / user / month. But there’s loads of unexplored territory in organization design.

yes, it's me, liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

@timbray @polotek that's for basic. am really looking waaaaaay past the basics and would like to see a mesh of actual hardware housing the fediverse. if it's gonna be on the cloud, that metal has to be also distributed and not controlled by amazon or microsoft.

yes, it's me, liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

@timbray @polotek but for now, tbh, if i can't find other people interested in creating a cooperative social media platform, then i just have 2 choices for moving out here, basically, right?

Marco Rogers

@blogdiva @timbray I think you can find lots of people interested in joining. It's much harder to find people interested in doing work to make it happen. I think it makes a difference if you can show that you have budget. Maybe we just need to raise the money first.

Michael T. Bacon, Ph.D.

@blogdiva @timnitGebru @polotek @CaribenxMarciaX @are0h

social.coop is run on a co-op model of sorts. I really should know more about the governance model, but I do know it's run through https://opencollective.com/ .

yes, it's me, liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

@MichaelTBacon @timnitGebru @polotek @CaribenxMarciaX @are0h didn't opencollective close shop?

Marco Rogers

@blogdiva @MichaelTBacon @timnitGebru @CaribenxMarciaX @are0h they're going through some changes I guess. But not disappearing.

A Wolf in Cheap Clothing

@[email protected]

If you don't like the instance your on, move to one that fits your needs, or start your own! There are literally hundreds of instance in the fediverse, many using different platforms (like Calckey, firefish, pixelfed, friendica, ect...) so don't feel you have to stick to Mastodon.

Marco Rogers

@AWolfInCheapClothing easy! Can you tell me which buttons to push?

Johannes Link

@polotek What about wrapping standard mastodon in an API-compatible proxy which allows moderation? It could make those efforts mostly independent from the core dev team. And it could also be picked up to integrate back into the core later.

✨easily traumatized nihilist✨

@joefox @polotek @pete the biggest red flag which outsiders should understand immediately to signal to a person of color that theres no conversation to be had is, a white person saying "i feel like youre excluding/making assumptions about me based on my skin color" (read: "reverse racism," etc.)

Anyone putting in minimal effort in 2024 needs to understand: there IS NO RACISM AGAINST WHITES. In a global system of white supremacy, its not possible for whites to be oppressed for their whiteness.

✨easily traumatized nihilist✨

@joefox @polotek @pete the comment about "what do i have to do to be good enough" is also p sketchy. Productive & equitable conversations with people of color, especially as they're actively experiencing marginalization & trying to find solutions, isn't some cool kids club to buy your way into with the right words & behaviors. Sometimes it's not even appropriate for a white person to participate at all. But if you do, you should at least kind of understand white supremacy on a basic level.

Marco Rogers

@jlink sounds great. You should get started.

Johannes Link

@polotek I'm an old white man. IMO it should be a community effort controlled by those who need it most. I'm happy to help.