I see a lot of the drama that is happening between people of color on the platform and the mastodon dev team.

Pete🎸🎶🐍📽🎞☮🌍🙂😭

I'm European with low melanin levels.

I am working hard to understand why some people believe in the myth of race, and how that affects their prejudices, and how it is used in society to simplify discussions to the point of not being reality.

Ruling me out just because of my skin pigmentation and place of birth seems... I dunno... wrong?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Marco Rogers

@pete just based on this post, it doesn't actually sound like you're "working hard to understand". Can you maybe try again to tell me what work you've put into trying to understand?

Pete🎸🎶🐍📽🎞☮🌍🙂😭

@polotek I’m not sure that’s necessary. The discussion point is that it seems wrong to me to exclude people based upon their skin pigmentation and birthplace. We’re not discussing how hard I am trying. If that’s the important discussion then I’m happy to continue, but it would be good to set out what is an acceptable definition of “trying hard”, otherwise it’s easy to move the goalpost and never acknowledge my efforts.

Marco Rogers

@pete I am discussing how hard you are trying. It is a prerequisite to me spending any more time engaging with you on this topic. Obviously you have the choice of whether you want to meet that requirement. I'm fine either way. But yes, it is required if you want to have any further discussion with me personally. Cheers.

damon

@mikedev I think what you have built can be a strong foundation for what people are looking for with a sprinkle of whatever they like about Mastodon

Pete🎸🎶🐍📽🎞☮🌍🙂😭

@polotek

How can I prove that I am good enough?

Marco Rogers

@pete first off, you can really practice not making assumptions and jumping to conclusions. I didn't ask you to "prove" anything. I asked you to give me some info to help me understand.

If you don't even understand why it is historically relevant for Black people to be wary of this conversation, that already gives me a lot of conversation about your journey in understanding things.

Marco Rogers

@pete there were lots of other signals. Like the phrase "the myth of race". The journey that white people have to go on to understand these things is well documented. You're giving off lots of signals that you're not very far along. It doesn't make you a bad person. It does probably make it a waste of my time to engage with you.

I hope that helps explain where I'm coming from. And I sincerely hope you find somebody who is willing to spend more time educating you. But it won't be me. Take care.

Joe Fox

@polotek @pete for someone to make this post, it sounds very much like he/she is trying to understand.

Marco Rogers

@joefox @pete we disagree on that. It sounds like you haven't had a ton of experience with people engaging in bad faith on this topic. It almost always starts out sounding exactly like this.

Joe Fox

@polotek @pete True, I may have less experience.

damon

@jdp23 @polotek @julian that’s a great idea

Marco Rogers

@blogdiva @timbray I wasn't being facetious in the slightest.

Tim Bray

@polotek @blogdiva I think the two most interesting Fediverse problems are, by far, (1) moderation and (2) financial/organizational sustainability. The tech is boring. Fortunately the tech is also acceptably cheap to operate - my thumbnail estimates are less than $2 / user / month. But there’s loads of unexplored territory in organization design.

your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

@timbray @polotek that's for basic. am really looking waaaaaay past the basics and would like to see a mesh of actual hardware housing the fediverse. if it's gonna be on the cloud, that metal has to be also distributed and not controlled by amazon or microsoft.

your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

@timbray @polotek but for now, tbh, if i can't find other people interested in creating a cooperative social media platform, then i just have 2 choices for moving out here, basically, right?

Marco Rogers

@blogdiva @timbray I think you can find lots of people interested in joining. It's much harder to find people interested in doing work to make it happen. I think it makes a difference if you can show that you have budget. Maybe we just need to raise the money first.

Michael T. Bacon, Ph.D.

@blogdiva @timnitGebru @polotek @CaribenxMarciaX @are0h

social.coop is run on a co-op model of sorts. I really should know more about the governance model, but I do know it's run through https://opencollective.com/ .

your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

@MichaelTBacon @timnitGebru @polotek @CaribenxMarciaX @are0h didn't opencollective close shop?

Marco Rogers

@blogdiva @MichaelTBacon @timnitGebru @CaribenxMarciaX @are0h they're going through some changes I guess. But not disappearing.