The One Percent

Flax

It was obviously Diddy

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I'm thinking they're about a dozen short of 1500

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Thanks, too many typos...

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Completely disagree. Anthropologic evidence from the past and knowledge gained by studying current primitive tribes suggest that there was much greater equity in our past.

We're kinda like in between chimpanzees and bonobos. We started off more like bonobos but as history marches on we become more like chimpanzees.

Kogasa

Don't think you can stack 2.4 million bananas on top of each other. By volume you'd need like 10^16 bananas to form everest

Guy Dudeman

Maybe it comes and goes.

Because the fact that the majority of civilizations fought and killed each other throughout known history kinda tells me we’ve been at this game for a while now.

And I feel like only in the last 20-30 years have we decided - hey, maybe that’s not so cool anymore?

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You might have heard of the tragedy of the commons. It's long since debunked, even the wikipedia article includes Solutions. The TLDR is that people are willing to follow rules and "police" each other once they are included in the process of creating the rules. It isn't necessary that everyone is a good person, you just need a critical mass and a culture that sanctions selfish behavior instead of promoting is as ours does. SRSLY WRONG has a good podcast episode about commons

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I thought canonically it was the whole island’s vault of bananas in Donkey Kong country.

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Perhaps. I mean yeah the history of humanity over the past 2000 years has been brutal. But we go back much farther than that.

I have a real problem with you saying that in the last 20-30 years humanity has chilled out. We've got multiple genocides going on, constant religious conflict, land war in Europe. The United States is so fucked I can't even begin to list the reasons why, and it's on the brink of some really bad things.

How many people can you kill with a club?
How many people can you kill with a sword?
How many people can you kill with a gun?
How many people can you kill with a cluster bomb?

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You got some countries that it has worked long term?

Guy Dudeman

Dude, I’m just trying to sit here and eat some Oreos.

kamenLady.

Our typos

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And if somebody does somehow build a rival force to take the bananas, nothing truly changed it's just the same system with different apes in the same amount, or actually even worse than the first system which was built upon individual representation which could easily be lost.

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Presence of genocide isn't really an argument against it having chilled out. Empires were born and died all the time in the past, genocides were standard practice by legions, nations consuming each other through war was a constant.

France has been involved in over 200 wars in its history.

Things are different now. Borders being unstable make national headlines. Aggressors in conflicts fact opposition from the entire world even if the defender is a minor state like Ukraine.

Before industrialized agriculture, the Human Population never breached a billion. In the past there was not equity, there was mass starvation for many ruled over by an aristocracy whose only major contribution was organizing militaries to either take food from others or prevent their own food from being taken. All over the world it was common to sell your children because you could not feed them.

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I found "The Better Angels of Our Nature" interesting and well-researched, it changed my opinion on this.

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Ostrom helped disprove the idea held by economists that natural resources would be over-used and destroyed in the long run. Elinor Ostrom disproved this idea by conducting field studies on how people in small, local communities manage shared natural resources, such as pastures, fishing waters in Maine and Indonesia, and forests in Nepal. She showed that when natural resources are jointly managed by their users, in time, rules are established for how these are to be cared for and used in a way that is both economically and ecologically sustainable.

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For a deeper dive watch this video or the afore mentioned podcast episode.

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People downvoting you do not know much history, and believe only what they want to.

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She showed that when natural resources are jointly managed by their users, in time, rules are established for how these are to be cared for and used in a way that is both economically and ecologically sustainable.

Until one tech bro or finance guy comes along. So no countries then. Don't you think in the last hundreds of years of recorded history that you could have come up with one?

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Well, she was born in 1933 so her fieldwork took place less than 100 years ago...

Also great moving the goal post on your side. You said pure socialism doesn't work and asked for long term, I gave you that. Now you say this isn't within the last hundreds of years which is wrong. If by country you mean nation state, I can't give you an example and I'm pretty sure this is the only thing you take out of this comment. There are alternatives to nation states. If you ask for people fighting today for a stateless society, look up Rojava or the Zapatistas. If this is too far away from Europe for you, look up the anarchosyndicalists in Spain less than a century ago. If you have specific criteria, maybe give them beforehand. If you are a troll, go fuck yourself. Also big citation needed that one techbro destroyed the forest commons in Nepal.

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Not moving goal posts. Last comment because you're obviously not wanting to answer. A successful socialist country or nation state is what I'm asking for and have been asking for all along.

Name one country or nation state that has made it work long term (let's say 10 years) in the last HUNDREDS of years. Pick a century, any century. You can choose from any time period you want.

I know this is breaking your brain, good luck.