Heads-up: The CTO of an "AI-powered social network" startup Maven, Jimmy Secretan (ex-lead of OpenAI), confirming that his app has "ingested about 1,120,000 posts from Mastodon".
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@jsecretan @liaizon @djsundog I don't believe there is a mechanism for that, I am only now looking into how to modify my server's robots.txt, which, by the way, includes GPTBot by default, and that might give you a bit of an idea of the community's expectations.
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@jsecretan @stefan @djsundog do you mean that you are pulling posts directly from only the mastodon.social API? Have you implemented #ActivityPub in Maven at all? or are you just grabbing the posts from there and importing them into your own database?
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@liaizon @jsecretan @stefan @djsundog
I concur with Liaizon. This isn't how this works. No one starts a fediverse (AP) server by ingesting a bunch of posts from others without their consent. They start servers and start federating with the rest of the network.
Please stop ingesting posts from AoIR.social (I'm the admin, btw).
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@liaizon @jsecretan @stefan @djsundog
To add to this, the custom is to start a server with a code of conduct, including clear moderation rules, so that the rest of us can make informed choices about federating.
What you've done with Maven is a pretty massive violation of norms, and likely it will result in your being defederated from many other instances. It's a poor way to start an ActivityPub implementation.
[edited for clarity]
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@stefan @liaizon @djsundog for those living in the EU: https://www.datarequests.org/generator
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This whole #maven thing will likely lead to discussing consent in the fediverse again, so I'd just like to repeat something I said further down the thread.
Folks around here have different preferences when it comes to how their stuff should be shared. And different perspectives on what is and isn't part of the fediverse.
So if someone wants to be left alone, it's okay to leave them alone, no need to "well actually" them.
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And I hope this doesn't need to be said, but let's be civil when emailing Jimmy. I'm frustrated by the arrogance of tech bros, but will never stoop to harassment. A brief, to-the-point note will do!
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@researchbuzz @liaizon @djsundog We need to rethink robots.txt!
https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/112604352640135688
Mostly just venting here, no idea where I'd even start trying to push something like this through.
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@stefan @liaizon @djsundog Hello everybody, Jimmy CTO of Maven here again. Thanks to everybody who has given honest feedback about our Maven Fediverse integration. As I mentioned toward the top, we set out on this project to help our users on Maven find interesting posts across the Fediverse, and to allow our users to send and receive replies from the rest of the Fediverse.
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@stefan @liaizon @djsundog It's clear from the feedback on this thread that even our experiments with the tech were confusing to users and didn't fit with other people's expectations of how it should work. We are currently pausing this integration, at least until we can better understand how Maven can fit in as a good citizen of the Fediverse.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] but also lmao what a fucking secreting schmuck.
hey guys, I'm gonna re-post wikipedia and call it ENCYCLOPEDIA SECRETAN, money plzzzzzzz. "Look at how much activity is on my Sam Altman funded network, MORE MONEY PLZ"
but also lol at the entire "less toxic" as he takes money from Sam "I'm The World's Worst Gay Man And Should Be Booed At Pride" Altman. -
@stefan People will have different perspectives but posts are public on the fediverse, no?
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@brianvastag The way I think about this, it would be helpful to allow everyone to create a robots.txt file for their own social media profile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt
A website that's publicly available online can still define how its content can be accessed.
Also see: https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/112604352640135688
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@Bette I just searched for my server name on the Discover page.
https://app.heymaven.com/discover/
The good news is that they might just be deleting everything.