things i would like to see in mastodon that pleroma has been able to do for years:
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Emelia πΈπ»replied to Emelia πΈπ» on last edited by
@FinchHaven @ariadne so when it comes to filtering instance wide, it ends up being "whatever your admin decides so you need to 100% trust them not to do bad things with the power they have.
I think for Mastodon, if I were to implement content filtering at instance level, I'd want a public log of actions related to be available to users on the server.
But the drop message versus said a rejection isn't yet worked out at ActivityPub level yet, afaik
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Emelia πΈπ»replied to Ariadne Conill π°:therian: on last edited by
@ariadne @FinchHaven no, but it does create some barrier to misuse, which is arguably better than none.. it's all a balancing act.
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Ariadne Conill π°:therian:replied to Emelia πΈπ» on last edited by
@thisismissem @FinchHaven there is zero difference between someone publishing a patch to mastodon which does this and an MRF policy.
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Ariadne Conill π°:therian:replied to Emelia πΈπ» on last edited by
@thisismissem @FinchHaven nothing about ActivityPub blocks anyone from adding a transparency log to MRF, or adding an MRF-like facility to Mastodon.
this is just absurd.
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Ariadne Conill π°:therian:replied to Ariadne Conill π°:therian: on last edited by
@thisismissem @FinchHaven like, respectfully, i think you all need to focus on why people like @KimCrayton1 are using Mastodon with basically *zero* mitigations to deal with trivial abuse instead of whether or not MRF is too powerful for your liking.
when Kim is no longer being crapflooded with racial slurs and threats, things that could be *trivially mitigated with MRF policies*, then maybe you can talk shit about MRF.
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β£ (nut)replied to Emelia πΈπ» on last edited by
@thisismissem @FinchHaven @ariadne you can have MRF policies publicly listed and if an instance tampers more than they promise, it creates a (dis)reputation
also i might be wrong but i think public log of applied actions would be trivial compared to MRF itself
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Ariadne Conill π°:therian:replied to β£ (nut) on last edited by
@xarvos @thisismissem @FinchHaven yes, precisely. it is a non-issue in practice with 6 years of MRF.
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Tom Bellin :picardfacepalm:replied to Ariadne Conill π°:therian: on last edited by
@ariadne @spacehobo @andrew I was just pondering about how the challenge of instance moderation increases exponentially with the ease of setting up a federated server. And how the critical lack of sufficient tools for community moderation is actually being masked by how finicky it appears to be to set up a mastodon instance.
(I lucked into one of the unicorn instances of the fediverse apparently)
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Ariadne Conill π°:therian:replied to Tom Bellin :picardfacepalm: on last edited by
@tob @spacehobo @andrew oh yes, the difficulty of setting up mastodon has absolutely been pitched to me before as a "safety feature"
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Andrew Dunhamreplied to Ariadne Conill π°:therian: on last edited by
@ariadne @thisismissem @FinchHaven Also, respectfully: it's not even particularly difficult to patch Mastodon to do this! I'm not going to draw the rest of the owl, but it took me about five minutes to find the `process_audience` function and `visibility_from_audience` functions under `ActivityPub::Activity::[...]`; between that and patching `Status.create`, I'm pretty sure I could figure out a way to make all non-public statuses from a specific instance, user, etc. be public instead of private. And I wouldn't call myself a particularly proficient Ruby developer, either.
In my personal opinion, the harm that is currently being caused by not having flexible, extensible, and powerful moderation tooling is *vastly* outweighed by the harm that could be caused by making it easier for instance admins to do something that they're already able to do.
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Ariadne Conill π°:therian:replied to Andrew Dunham on last edited by
@andrew @thisismissem @FinchHaven yeah exactly.
sure, a moderation tooling framework can be abused to tamper with messages in a way that is anti-social. no doubt about it. moderation tooling has to be powerful in order to do its job.
but that reality does not justify the current *nothing* that mastodon developers are doing about anti-abuse since forever.
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Ariadne Conill π°:therian:replied to Emelia πΈπ» on last edited by
@thisismissem itβs just photodna
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Risotto Votedreplied to Ariadne Conill π°:therian: on last edited by
@ariadne this series rocks and I wish there was more of it.
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propapanda :verified:replied to Ariadne Conill π°:therian: on last edited by
@ariadne scheduled postings are available in the API but never made it into the official UI.
UI updates have been rolling a bit slow from my pov
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Ariadne Conill π°:therian:replied to propapanda :verified: on last edited by
@panda what does scheduled postings have to do with admin-restricted moderation features ?