I get a real kick out of the predictable “Oh Noes the NDP are going to “force” an election — [that is literally scheduled by law to be no later than next fall] — and let the Conservatives win!”.
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I get a real kick out of the predictable “Oh Noes the NDP are going to “force” an election — [that is literally scheduled by law to be no later than next fall] — and let the Conservatives win!”.
Canadian Politics Newsflash: There have only ever been Conservative or Liberal-led governments federally in Canada.
It would be illogical (and, may I submit, poor practice) to assume a Liberal government will hold power indefinitely.
The only way to stop that cycle is by voting differently.
#CanPoli #CdnPoli #CanElxn #NDP #CanLib #CanCon
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Nick Pilonreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris why poor practice? Democracy doesn't require taking turns.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Nick Pilon last edited by
@npilon It doesn't require it... but name a democracy that benefited from having the same party in power effectively forever? That's how democracy is eroded and turns into autocracy, not strengthened. It's also just unrealistic to expect one party to be popular forever. That's not how human nature works.
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Fifi Lamourareplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris Yeah, it's more that nobody wants an election sooner and that this seems to play into Poilievre's hands and makes him look more powerful (it doesn't matter if the NDP claim they've been plotting this for weeks, that's also not great optics, just like being played and out manouvered by Poilievre is bad optics).
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Fifi Lamoura last edited by
@fifilamoura but that's just it... we all know this is coming. Including all the parties. It really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the first day back after Labour Day the NDP would effectively announce they're getting ready for an election too.
I guess I'm surprised at the surprise.
Did we really think the NDP/Liberal agreement would last until the bitter end of June next year? Much less in an environment where the Liberals are nearing historic lows in support?
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Stéphanie Pageaureplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris @fifilamoura I'm mad at the timing. A week after PP asked him to do it.
And why say until 2025 at the beginning if he already knew he would need a year for election time?
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Fifi Lamourareplied to Stéphanie Pageau last edited by
@stephanie Yeah, is Singh trying to get Poilievre elected?
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Stéphanie Pageau last edited by
@stephanie @fifilamoura Ya, the PP thing sucks... but then... PP sucks generally and I don't expect him to stop doing sucky things that makes him and everything he touches around him smell bad, including the NDP. :+)
The agreement lasted longer than any previous agreement in the history of the country. That should be celebrated. At the same time, politics is what it is and I think if someone had asked Singh when he signed it if Labour Day 2024 would be the "real" end date, that he would never have known, or committed to anything.
The NDP and Liberals have always had the option to pull out and that option has been floated a few times.
There would never be a "good” time, including June 2025 when it could be argued that they should have ended sooner in order to give themselves, and the Liberals, more time to prepare for an election the Liberals will very likely lose.
In the end, it's all just politics (including when the PM says he's not focusing on politics... since of course every word he utters is political).
Onward we go to election, well, at least eventually.
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Nick Pilonreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris I think there's things that are far more corrosive to democracy.
People assuming that they can just tune out or vote for (random other candidate), but that gridlock means the policies they like won't change.
News media that covers all politics as horse-races and kayfabe feuds, and never gets into the nuts and bolts of policy.
Voters holding out for an ideal candidate, rather than exercising their power strategically.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Fifi Lamoura last edited by
@fifilamoura @stephanie See, this is the part I really don't understand.
Why would he want that? It's Singh’s *job* to be elected, himself, as leader of the NDP and potentially future Prime Minister.
Is it more likely for him to be elected if the Liberal Party is high, or low, in the polls?
Right now, Singh could do nothing and Poillievre is very likely to get elected.
This decision doesn't make that any more likely, imo. But it does prove that SIngh still wants the chance to be Prime Minister himself, as is his job.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Nick Pilon last edited by
@npilon I don't disagree with any of those things, but I don't think it changes the fact that having one party in power for more than say 10 or 20 years is not good for democracy, and further, traditionally in Canada, the electorate gets tired of a party. The solution(s) remain(s) the same if we want to break that cycle.
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David Mitchell :CApride:replied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@stephanie @fifilamoura @chris
… at least eventually. Trudeau has survived minority parliaments without a supply and confidence agreement, this doesn’t *necessarily* mean an early election, time will tell.
If I could make a dream come true it would be that LPC & NDP realize the status quo makes a CPC win frighteningly likely, and push one more electoral reform: a switch to a score-based rating vote that will help counteract vote splitting.
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Nick Pilonreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris I think understanding and addressing the source of the electorate getting "tired" of parties is more productive than trying to convince the electorate to adopt a wholly different voting strategy.
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Lynn Dreplied to David Mitchell :CApride: last edited by
@DavidM_yeg @stephanie @fifilamoura @chris I hope that Singh isn’t stupid enough to force an early election. He will never have more power to affect change than he does in this minority parliament. I also hope they push through some kind of ranked ballot system.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Nick Pilon last edited by
@npilon I think it's probably a mix of all of the above.
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Dave Sanderson 🇨🇦🍁replied to David Mitchell :CApride: last edited by
@DavidM_yeg @stephanie @fifilamoura @chris
Trudeau survived 1 minority government of less than 2 years. This minority government will have lasted 3 years as of September 10, 2nd only to a Mackenzie King minority that lasted over 3 1/2 years 100 years ago.
Without the supply and confidence agreement in place, the Liberals will be cautious for the next year to try and avoid the risk of a no-confidence vote. Don’t expect too many new bills.
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Nick Pilonreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris one other thing: whether or not people are willing to vote for a party depends a *lot* on the behavior of that party's politicians - whether they're perceived as trustworthy, serious, and effective.
So great, I do actually agree with you, I think our democracy would be healthier if we had other gov'ts as realistic outcomes.
I cannot see dramatically ripping up a deal that the other party was upholding as helping the perceived behavior of the NDP. I think this sets us back.
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David Mitchell :CApride:replied to Lynn D last edited by
@stephanie @fifilamoura @Lynnd @chris
I agree.
Having done a fair bit of reading on the subject, a score based approval vote is probably better than a ranked vote, but ANYTHING is better than another FPTP plurality vote. -
Lauralee Dukeshirereplied to Fifi Lamoura last edited by
@fifilamoura @stephanie @chris It's certainly nerve-wracking to consider the CPC forming government. An election is scary for those of us who will suffer impacts on the rights of loved ones, if that happens. However, there might not be a better opportunity for the NDP to rise than now. Poilievre's popularity has started to dip (folks are clueing in to PP's fakery) and people are clueing in to corporate gouging. I'm scared but I can see the logic in NDP making a move, now.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Nick Pilon last edited by [email protected]
@npilon Ah... but if there were no drama, would it be rightly called Politics? :+)