FediForum hot take
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FediForum hot take:
@[email protected]: "the key to a successful ActivityPub C2S implementation is a headless AP server"
NodeBB can technically be run headless (although we have our own API)... one wonders...
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@julian @pfefferle There are a bunch of implementations! I think a headless server is a good idea, but we don't have a good Web-based general-purpose client for the ActivityPub API.
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@evan @julian @pfefferle
then it's time
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@naturzukunft @julian @pfefferle agreed! It would also give us good ideas for extensions to make client apps easier.
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Matthias Pfefferlereplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@evan @naturzukunft @julian let's see if we find some more interested, to work together on that!?!
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@evan @julian @pfefferle
Unfortunately, I don't get to develop that much at the moment. But as they say: good things take time
What I do know is that a generic C2S server is hard work. I am very curious to see where my motivation will take me and how long it will last. On the positive side, the motivation has been there for a few years and https://rdf-pub.org is my first real OpenSource project. So the signs are good. -
naturzukunftreplied to Matthias Pfefferle on last edited by
@pfefferle @evan @julian
Client developers are very welcome. that's not my focus at all. and it would be very good to have a client developer who has a different perspective. I would start with βNotesβ anyway, as this is the easiest to test with other servers.
next steps, however, are stabilization, webfinger feditests, following..., http signature. -
@pfefferle @evan @julian
And I have planned to contact @thisismissem to see if there is any motivation for a phone call regarding Oauth2. -
@[email protected] @[email protected] that's true, I think Mitra might qualify? @[email protected]
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Raphael Lullisreplied to Matthias Pfefferle on last edited by
@pfefferle @evan @naturzukunft @julian
I've been *dying* to find a way to work on just that: https://raphael.lullis.net/a-plan-for-social-media-the-what-the-why-the-who/
Any chance the fine folks at Automattic can hire and/or sponsor my work on it?
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Raphael Lullis on last edited by
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@julian @pfefferle @evan @evan @pfefferle It's headless but honestly I don't see how that could help. Vendor-specific RESTful APIs won because they are easier to understand and easier to implement. In order to be competitive, standard C2S needs to provide something that can't be achieved with RESTful APIs.
I think the answer is FEP-ae97, which enables rich offline-first clients and data portability.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] long story short, the session participants basically agreed that it was a bit of a chicken and egg problem.
Also looping in @[email protected]
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@julian @silverpill @pfefferle @evan @dmitri
I was far more interested in the idea of delegating the publishing & distribution of activities to another server from existing AP software
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@julian @silverpill @pfefferle @dmitri @thisismissem The big advantage is that you can create clients that do interesting things like games, drawing apps, enterprise applications, and you can plug them directly into the social network. You don't have to create a new social network service for every single application type you're making. That's a dumb, old way of thinking, and we have to get over it.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@julian @silverpill @pfefferle @dmitri @thisismissem The Fediverse should be more like the Facebook Platform (lots of client apps using the same social graph) rather than the Apple App Store (a bunch of one-feature apps that have to bootstrap their own social network each time).
We'll get there. Most servers already support the read-only aspect of the ActivityPub API pretty well. Implementing the write-only part is actually pretty straightforward. A ratchet process of clients and servers.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@julian @silverpill @pfefferle @dmitri @thisismissem The next thing we need is a straightforward OAuth 2.0 profile. I did one as a FEP, but Miss Em thinks it should use a different discovery method, so I think we should maybe move the effort into a TF at the CG.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@julian @silverpill @pfefferle @dmitri @thisismissem I used onepage.pub as the sample app in my book, and created a command-line API client called `ap`.
https://github.com/evanp/onepage.pub/
https://github.com/evanp/ap/
