Loops isn't like other fediverse platforms.

dansup

You can't expect to start a new Loops server with little content, and attract users.

What are they supposed to watch?

Nothing?

For Loops to succeed in the federated model, you need to understand, we need a centralized service powered by content from loops.video, to seed new Loops servers and the FYP algo.

Eventually admins will have enough data to serve their users, but it's important to recognize the need for this

Loops is the future of the fedi

Gerard Braad

@dansup what if they do not want to seed content from other servers on an instance?

You create communities around content.
I could imagine that on a mtgloops.video you want to show tabletop content, and not car stuff...

Adam Kaliszewski 🌱

@dansup doesn't seem "fedi attitude" at all, tbh.

dansup

@kalisz79 How so?

I think its pretty cool to have such a trusted and established developer like myself to steward and manage an initiative like this.

What is your idea of the "fedi attitude" and how can I improve this?

My goal is to build a federated TikTok alternative, and others have tried, but none have surpassed the amount of users we have in such a short time.

I hope you respond with feedback, and look forward to resolving your concerns!

We're in this together, and I need your help!

F4GRX SÃ©bastien

@dansup @kalisz79

"such a trusted and established developer like myself"

Is everything okay? are you drowning in your own pride yet? with all due respect, fuck off. this is disgusting behaviour and the best possible way to kill any trust you gathered before.

Jon

@dansup if that's the approach you're thinking of taking, AT might well be a better fit than ActivityPub -- a Relay could support multiple Loops AppViews.

dansup

@f4grx @kalisz79 I meant that honestly with the perspective of fedidb.org, pubkit.net and fediverse.info not including Pixelfed or my other projects.

You can take that whatever way you want, but I'm not egotistical if you've followed my posts.

Wish you the best!

Julian Fietkau

@dansup Have you seen this project by Mastodon? https://www.fediscovery.org I think there are various projects in the works (Fediscovery, your thing for Loops, I've seen @thisismissem discuss ideas for cross-instance media deduplication) that are very vaguely shaped like ATproto relays. Work on global-ish content sharing (only for those who want to be part of it ofc) is pretty clearly wanted by many, especially operators of big servers who are affected by the lack of it.

Julian Fietkau

@dansup Soap box: I'm not heavily opinionated on protocols, but is there a path of long-term convergence for AP and AT?

The AP-verse is realizing that global aggregation of intended-as-public stuff is helpful, but it has to work around/exist next to the protocol.

Bluesky realized that people want non-public messaging, but it had to work around/exist next to the protocol.

Is it possible to have a standard that can do both things well?

@bnewbold

Emelia 👸🏻

@julian @dansup yeah, this could be the start of next generation relays — but loops could also operate a relay and allow other instances to follow it to seed content. There's a good thread on social hub about how the relay protocol works

bryan newbold

@julian @dansup
possibly! attached is what we are thinking about for limited-visibility in atproto. we probably want to stick with the flexible schema system (Lexicions) and identity system (DIDs/handles)

Julian Fietkau

@bnewbold @dansup I haven't looked into AT lexicons yet, but that looks pretty noncontroversial at a glance. I'm not all that passionate about the actual innards of the protocols, I just hope to live to see the reality of the shapes of our social graphs not being decided by tech companies anymore.

Emelia 👸🏻

@bnewbold @julian @dansup I think you may want to define some common shared lexicons kind of like what we have with the AS2 Vocabulary's object types.

There's not really a reason a microblogging post _has to_ be owned by Bluesky, more so than any other microblogging software that may get built on AT.