"Right-wing strategist Steve Bannon, who once pledged to make the world 'as exciting as the 1930s,' promotes the ideas of the Italian Traditionalist Julius Evola, who wrote: 'We would like a more radical, more intrepid Fascism, a really absolute Fascis...

William Lindsey :toad:

@Dingsextrem Irony detected here — good irony. Yes, how, indeed, could they have possibly known?

William Lindsey :toad:

@Laloofah A good question. I think at the very least that we have to increase our determination, the rest of us, to stand as a bloc of resistance to them. We have to keep doing all in our power to refuse to let them seize control of the reins of government. We have to challenge and confront them as they lie and distort our history. We have to commit ourselves to a very long struggle, since this will not go away easily and soon.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Flowermob No, they don't care. I don't think those speaking out are speaking out because they imagine that Trump's cult follows care. I think they're speaking out because they know it's the right thing to do.

William Lindsey :toad:

@hakona Thank you for the link. I'll watch with interest.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Myerman I absolutely agree.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Kraemer_HB 10% sounds like a very low calculation to me.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Dave_Goldsmith "Trump has only one principle: The whole world is a con and only suckers play by the rules."

That's exactly it. That's very well-stated.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Laloofah Well-stated. I agree, though I wonder how many of us actually would be decent, kind, and law-abiding if push came to shove. The results of the Milgram experiment, which has repeated a number of times at different points in time and in different cultural settings, always with the same results, give me pause to think.

Dave Goldsmith

@wdlindsy

He learned that lesson from his dad and Roy Cohn.

Matthias Krämer

@wdlindsy That's what a cult wants. I don't remember who said things like 10 devout followers are better than 50 normal people. It might have been some Nazi.
Trump selected his followers for devoutness, that's the function of him requesting them to repeat any of his lies. This way they always have to avow to him being their saviour. (What I can't wrap my head around is religious Christians doing such oplenly blasphemous things.)

Estarriol, Cat owned Dragon

@wdlindsy @Dave_Goldsmith even more succinctly, everybody is a sucker except him.....

Laloofah

@wdlindsy I was referring to how I think most of us are in our current circumstances. When society breaks down & chaos reigns, I agree; most of us really don’t know how we’d respond to alien situations & experiences.
I 1st saw Milgram’s Obedience to Authority film in a college psych class, & it horrified us all, as it does most people. But I learned later the experiment isn’t free of controversy. I think you’ll find this interesting, if you’ve not read it (or similar):
https://www.npr.org/2013/08/28/209559002/taking-a-closer-look-at-milgrams-shocking-obedience-study

Jon Het.

@wdlindsy MAGA is not the only anti-democratic movement. They are roughly 50% of the movement away from democratic rule. They are just the loud stupid 1/2.

The other 1/2 is far more subtle. The half that doesn't want primaries, wants candidates picked by the party leaders, resuses to enact laws that the majority of Americans want, etc. These are also people who don't want democracy.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Jon_Kramer I see no daylight between the puppet-masters you're describing here and MAGA.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Laloofah Thank you very much for the link. I'll read with interest. Have you seen the film "Experimenter" telling Milgram's story and starring Peter Sarsgaard and Winona Ryder? I thought it was really great.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Thebratdragon @Dave_Goldsmith Yes.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Kraemer_HB "What I can't wrap my head around is religious Christians doing such oplenly blasphemous things."

And, yet, in the American context, there is a very long history of distorting and warping Christianity to rob it of its teachings critical of injustice and calling for solidarity with the poor. Christian leaders who defended slavery invented a peculiar form of Christianity to justify that immoral practice, and their thinking remains alive in the MAGA movement today.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Dave_Goldsmith Yes, he did.

Laloofah

@wdlindsy You’re very welcome! And no, I not only haven’t seen that film, I’d never heard of it! So thank you for bringing it to my attention — I will be looking for it.

Matthias Krämer

@wdlindsy Is this invention of Christianity to justify slavery connected with Calvinism? I'm from a Calvinist region of Germany, and I often acknowledge US Evangelical thoughts that seem familiar.