Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.
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George Maschkereplied to Mastodon Migration VOTED last edited by
@mastodonmigration @barney On Palestine, Trump and Harris are sufficiently alike that I did not find it reasonable to cast my ballot for Harris based on the hope that she might somehow be better.
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@Amoshias @benroyce @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron I am not aware of any statement by Butch Ware supporting the genocide of any people.
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Mastodon Migration VOTEDreplied to George Maschke last edited by
That is, of course, up to you to decide, but it seems like a very difficult argument to sustain given the respective public positions. On the one hand Trump is saying to Netanyahu he will permit him do anything he wants. On the other Harris is saying she will do everything she can to end the war. The difference in indeed significant.
Seems like you need to believe that she lacks all sincerity to conclude they are both the same.
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@gwm @benroyce @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron you don't seem to be aware of anything that goes against your preferred narrative.
That's unusual.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to Amoshias last edited by
@Amoshias @gwm @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron
the account is bot-like
they pick up a gist of a comment, and reply with well known boilerplate disinfo talking points, with flat emotional effect, like reading off a list
the account simply ignores any point that renders their lies evident. even if repeated
beyond dishonesty, that points to a behavior pattern which is cold influence operation rather than genuine human being trying to engage
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to BattleBot23 last edited by
@bot23 @gwm @ducksauz @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche
At the end of the day, there are things we can get and things we can't get. That is a problem with the two-party system, which I think we can get rid of within the next decade or so if we can just elect Kamala Harris this time. The choice is between more genocide, on top of all the other horrible things Trump and his allies are promising to do, and a path to peace, on top of all the other positive things that Harris offers.Once again, the difference is night and day.
People cannot be sitting this election out.
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @Amoshias @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron You don't really think I'm a bot, do you? I'm posting here with my real name. You can Google me, and even call if you like (I'm gwm.11 on Signal).
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @Amoshias @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron
you elicit a patterrn of behavior which is indicative of your motivations
i have multiply stated the value of a 3rd party vote in an fptp voting system- it divides the left and helps trump win
you just ignore it
because you're not interested in honest engagement
you're interested in shilling talking points
so you are an operator as part of an agenda not a genuine person sharing your honest views
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @Amoshias @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron No, I just happen to think you're wrong about third parties. While they may attract some voters away from the candidates of the duopoly, they also attract persons who would not otherwise vote. That someone may have a different view than you does not entail that they are arguing in bad faith, or must somehow be a foreign agent.
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@gwm @benroyce @Amoshias @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron
So are you pushing for third party at the school board level? City council? State level?
There is no point to a third party president if she immediately would have to turn to one of the two parties to get literally anything done.
Third parties take work at the bottom. Top down approaches have never worked. I don't know that a single example exists of it working.
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@Beachhart @benroyce @Amoshias @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron I support third party candidates in local elections as well.
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@gwm @benroyce @Amoshias @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron
Good. Then if you can be pragmatic, you should be pragmatic here and vote Harris at the top of the ticket.
This is not the election to fuck around with. If Trump is elected you won't get to vote third party again. Or at all.
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@Beachhart @benroyce @Amoshias @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron Trump was elected before, and he was voted out of office after four years. I think the situation is not so dire as you suggest.
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Mastodon Migration VOTEDreplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @firebreathingduck @benroyce @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
These are all lofty sounding phases, but earlier today you settled on the rationale that you did not think either candidate would be better for Palestinians. You don't seem to be able to sustain that point in light of all the evidence to the contrary, so you are back to word salad. The truth is you're putting the people you profess to support at risk of more harm, and no principles are going to change that.
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firebreathingduckreplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
I have been voting in the primaries, and I'll continue to. But in the general? No. Not if the person in the general election is all in on war, oil, and oligarchy.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to firebreathingduck last edited by
you vote in both
because you're smart enough (right?) to understand if the GOP wins it will be even worse
it is about moving in a direction, not standing at perfect and crossing your arms and pouting until the world magically matches your ideology
you are doing nothing but articulating a rationale for impotence
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Eugen Rochko last edited by
@Gargron
As Server Staff and people who are trying to grow the Fediverse, we need to come out and be clear about this: a Trump presidency will not only be disastrous for the country, but for the Fediverse itself, and democratic and pro-free-speech movements in general.It has been made clear that Trump WILL give Elon Musk, the very person many people came here to get away from, direct influence over the FCC and FEC, regulatory agencies which are not only critical to the operation of a free and fair internet, but which have the ability to directly threaten our American servers and staff members.
If the US citizens here do not get out and VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS, we are going to see a LOT of problems for the network.
And if y'all have friends who may be on the fence, go talk to them, offer to go to the polls with them, do whatever it takes to get as many of our fellow US Citizens to get out and VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS as possible!
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to nicdex 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 last edited by
@nicdex
Do you want to just go ahead and endorse Kamala Harris as a server? I could write out a whole thing about why Elon Musk getting control of the FCC and Trump going after free speech would be a threat to us. -
firebreathingduckreplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
"it is about moving in a direction"
"a" direction, not "an acceptable" direction. I'm not talking about heading towards perfect, I'm talking about heading any way other than exactly where the people running the DNC want to go.
"You'll do exactly what we want, the way we want it, or leave."
That's impotence. 24 years of the party walking rightwards while my primary votes go to people that get crushed and my general election votes get good judges (yay!) and 800 billion dollar military budgets, drone strikes, and genocides. Year, after year, after year, after year.
Keep telling me to stay the course, it will magically fix things. The same thing I heard in 2012. 2016. 2020.
Maybe you're the DNC bot.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to firebreathingduck last edited by
@firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
To clarify, the argument that we are making, and said "we" includes most Muslim/Palestinian groups, is not simply that Trump would be worse, but that Harris presents us an actual path to ending this: she has repeatedly voiced support for a ceasefire, repeatedly pressured Biden to take a stronger stance on this, and is one of the main voices in the administration's support for food and medical aid. Note that Biden has repeatedly set up negotiations, and gave Netanyahu a 30-day ultimatum on significant de-escalation 15 days ago.So no, while they aren't as aggressive as many of us would like, I would not say they are pro genocide. They are, in the words of many palestinians, "our only hope".
...and if you don't want to listen to a queer and disabled person begging you to stop throwing us under the bus and vote for Kamala Harris, have some actual Palestinian groups...
