The more things change

[nifty@lemmy.world]

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[iii@mander.xyz]

In the EU, there's now more women finishing higher education, and going into research programs, than men. (1)

[nifty@lemmy.world]

It’s sadly creating a class of alienated working class men because the working class men don’t want to accept non-traditional relationship roles.

[iii@mander.xyz]

There's also a strange cultural phenomenon, that whenever a statistic is not in favour for women, it's concluded to be a sign of systemic injustice, and corrective action must be taken. Whenever a statistic is not in favour of men, it's concluded men are a problem.

[slovene@feddit.nl]

Stoopid smart wamen!

[bstix@feddit.dk]

I think the last part of your sentence is a little one-sided. It takes two to form a relationship and women can be just as non accepting of non traditional relationships as men.

[dragonfucker@lemmy.nz]

Maybe that's because the patriarchy favours men.

[ecb@feddit.org]

At least europe it has kind of switched to the opposite in recent years.

I did a doctorate in physics and women had a much easier time finding PhD/post-doc positions because there is just much more funding available.

Most groups in my institution were majority women.

Professorships are still nearly all men, but that's largely down to the sexism of the previous generations (back in the 60s-90s when they got their positions). This will slowly shift in the coming decades.

[isoprenoid@programming.dev]

Maybe that’s because the patriarchy favours a minority of men.

Go read The Will to Change, then come back and tell me that the majority of men are having a grand time.

You're picturing the men at the top, which are few. The majority suffer.

[dragonfucker@lemmy.nz]

Mmhm. The men at the top are the ones to blame when a statistic isn't in favour of men. Like suicide rates. The men at the top are getting so many men killed.

[nifty@lemmy.world]

I guess that’s fair

[therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip]

What a clever comment on modern society, this will truly change the way everyone looks at women in jobs

[jrockwar@feddit.uk]

That's true, but the person perceived to be "in power" in the relationship (what was called traditionally the breadwinner) is less likely to complain about the situation. I don't think many working people, women or otherwise, think "I wish I could work at home tidying up the house for no salary and have no income of my own!"

I agree with your point still - once children are in the equation some women might shift towards the traditional view if that means they'd get to stay at home spending time with them.

[hk65@sopuli.xyz]

think “I wish I could work at home tidying up the house for no salary and have no income of my own!”

No, they think that "since I'm a higher social class, I will not date anyone without a doctorate". Women still largely tend to seek men earning more than them due to existing or perceived pressures, it's just that since they now earn more, everyone is a bit lonelier.

To be clear, I'm not saying that women should go back to earning less, I'm saying that people should adapt and be happier.

[hk65@sopuli.xyz]

Maybe them being men is not their defining feature. And they simply love you blaming all men instead of them specifically.

[hk65@sopuli.xyz]

Education in general is quite fucked up for boys, but they are not a protected group so we let them suffer.

[dragonfucker@lemmy.nz]

Drag didn't say all men. It seems like you added that part.

[jackthelad@lemmy.world]

Here in the UK (and I imagine it's similar across the rest of Europe), the most disadvantaged group in education are white, working class boys.

But this doesn't fit the "privilege" narrative so no one gives a shit.

[hk65@sopuli.xyz]

Okay, but you still refer to them as "men", instead of focusing on any other feature, thus placing the blame on "men".

[kaiserschmarrn@feddit.org]

I can somewhat confirm your first statement.

I began my Master's study a few years ago and had to retake a course since I've switched to another university and they claimed that my Bachelor's study wasn't equal to theirs. A female friend of mine did the exact same and had exactly the same education than me. The dean of our new study wrote her personally and said that he will make sure that she doesn't have to retake any courses if she starts studying here. I'm still kinda pissed about that tbh.