Thoughts on bringing sportbots.xyz to Lemmy?
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I don't mind bots, it's the details of how they can impact the user experience in some cases that causes issues for me. On several occasions I've defended bots being on lemmy and the Fedivers. And I switched instances because curating my feed by moving back to .world was easier than chasing down all the mirrored comms and slowly blocking all of them, and I'm not opposed to those comms existing, but I can absolutely empathize with why so many on lemmy don't like them. I'm not at all opposed to curating my feed, I also have a couple comms blocked.
My point was really just that it's understandable people would be frustrated if you're impeding their ability to do something they expect they should be able to do. Sure it's fixable, but no one expects to have to filter out a torrent of empty bot posts, because why would they? And most folks here are opposed to that kind of traffic. When you create a new problem that people hadn't even anticipated could be an issue, people will find that frustrating, and they'll view it as a problem that didn't need to exist in the first place
I can empathize with your desire to supplement content with automation, but I'm not getting the impression you're able to empathize with anyone else's perspective. There's probably a way of going about this that wouldn't cause any realy issue for folks, but you're definitely not going to find it if you just refuse any opportunity to learn from the perspectives being voiced to you.
You're now more or less trying to psychoanalyze the people telling you they don't like what you want to do instead of trying to understand why and find a path that's more pro-social.
If what you personally wanna do makes half the site unhappy, it's worth considering whether all of the people replying are wrong, or if you, the person who's trying to figure out how to do a thing lots of people are telling you would make them unhappy, are in the wrong
I won't be replying further, I don't get the impression you care what my perspective, or anyone else's is, so I'm not going to spend more time voicing it. I hope you have a good day, take care.
If what you personally wanna do makes half the site unhappy (...)
You are looking at half of the people on the site (~25k) What about the the other 99.96% (75 million) of people still on Reddit that and won't leave because they Reddit has kept a choke-hold on the communities and the monopolized the content?
You are treating this as a static system. There are second-order effects.
but I’m not getting the impression you’re able to empathize with anyone else’s perspective.
I don’t get the impression you care what my perspective,
It's not a matter of caring/not caring. It's about accepting that this is an issue with conflicting interests. I am asking about how we can do this that minimize these conflicts and build things in a way that can increase/keep the upside (for the many) while minimizing the downside (for the few), but you are appealing to thought-terminating accusations ("you are not showing empathy") instead of looking for a compromise that can make everyone happy.
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If what you personally wanna do makes half the site unhappy (...)
You are looking at half of the people on the site (~25k) What about the the other 99.96% (75 million) of people still on Reddit that and won't leave because they Reddit has kept a choke-hold on the communities and the monopolized the content?
You are treating this as a static system. There are second-order effects.
but I’m not getting the impression you’re able to empathize with anyone else’s perspective.
I don’t get the impression you care what my perspective,
It's not a matter of caring/not caring. It's about accepting that this is an issue with conflicting interests. I am asking about how we can do this that minimize these conflicts and build things in a way that can increase/keep the upside (for the many) while minimizing the downside (for the few), but you are appealing to thought-terminating accusations ("you are not showing empathy") instead of looking for a compromise that can make everyone happy.
I literally made suggestions in my first comment along side explaining why I thought it was important to find compromises, and you argued with my reasoning for suggesting compromise so I don't think it was unreasonable for me to assume you were opposed to my position that considering people's dislike of bots and non organic traffic in your approach
There's no conflict of interest if we both want compromise, so I'm not sure why youd argue with my reasons and tell me you "don't care" about the reasons I'd want compromise on this issue, while also saying you want compromise... I'm sincerely confused by that
It sounds like we agree...?
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Good comment from your side, as usual, thanks
Thank you, that's very kind of you
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I literally made suggestions in my first comment along side explaining why I thought it was important to find compromises, and you argued with my reasoning for suggesting compromise so I don't think it was unreasonable for me to assume you were opposed to my position that considering people's dislike of bots and non organic traffic in your approach
There's no conflict of interest if we both want compromise, so I'm not sure why youd argue with my reasons and tell me you "don't care" about the reasons I'd want compromise on this issue, while also saying you want compromise... I'm sincerely confused by that
It sounds like we agree...?
"don't mirror all the posts, but only those that have a threshold of interest" is a compromise.
"Don't post to communities unless the admins/moderators gave strict permission" is a compromise.
"Don't post at all, because some people want to be able to drink from the firehouse and not filter the content themselves" is not a compromise.
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"don't mirror all the posts, but only those that have a threshold of interest" is a compromise.
"Don't post to communities unless the admins/moderators gave strict permission" is a compromise.
"Don't post at all, because some people want to be able to drink from the firehouse and not filter the content themselves" is not a compromise.
I don't want you to not post at all...? My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms, collaborate to make sure it works for them, or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.
Mostly I just wanted to express that I thought thinking about the human aspect of how your plan will be recieved is important...
I don't think I said not to post at all at any point, did I..? (I'm falling alseep, I'll look back at my comments when I'm more awake) I don't want that at all. I even said I wished you luck with finding a solution that works well and that will be well recieved
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I don't want you to not post at all...? My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms, collaborate to make sure it works for them, or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.
Mostly I just wanted to express that I thought thinking about the human aspect of how your plan will be recieved is important...
I don't think I said not to post at all at any point, did I..? (I'm falling alseep, I'll look back at my comments when I'm more awake) I don't want that at all. I even said I wished you luck with finding a solution that works well and that will be well recieved
My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms (collaborate to make sure it works for them), or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.
All of that was done already when I was mirroring the alien.top accounts, and people still complained, and we were here spending a good hour arguing over that whether their complaints are legitimate or not.
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My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms (collaborate to make sure it works for them), or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.
All of that was done already when I was mirroring the alien.top accounts, and people still complained, and we were here spending a good hour arguing over that whether their complaints are legitimate or not.
Sorry I was still making changes to my comment to try and convey what I mean, its a bit different now. I'll read this I'm the morning
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I always enjoy seeing pug Jesus posts cause he posts little context blurbs for his history memes so I get to learn about stuff, and sometimes I've asked him stuff and he's taught me all about certain parts of history
️His memes come with story time lol.
I feel guilty about my last comment and at the risk of narrowing down who I mean, I want to be clear that Pug is ABSOLUTELY NOT who I was referring to. I love their thoughtful posting habits.
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I feel guilty about my last comment and at the risk of narrowing down who I mean, I want to be clear that Pug is ABSOLUTELY NOT who I was referring to. I love their thoughtful posting habits.
Pug is ABSOLUTELY NOT who I was referring to
That's the risk when you don't explitely tell who you have in mind
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Pug is ABSOLUTELY NOT who I was referring to
That's the risk when you don't explitely tell who you have in mind
Well it ain't Blaze either lol
The two I had in mind rarely comment so I doubt I'll ever see this. They might as well be bots.
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Well it ain't Blaze either lol
The two I had in mind rarely comment so I doubt I'll ever see this. They might as well be bots.
Ah, I think I know the ones, especially if they rarely comment
