Is there a "normie" or more mainstream instance for Lemmy?
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Sounds to me more like it's getting worse then, not better.
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Mods please install an upvote twice button.
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Lol @ "who volunteered for the Democrats". Ain't that a microcosm of every American politico (especially Democrats) ignorant of actual political theory.
Imagine getting upset that someone accurately described "leftism" to you. I can only imagine it's major cognitive dissonance after a lifetime of consuming mainstream political media calling liberalism "leftist" and pushing the overton window right.
Lemmy.world already is the "normie" instance catering to liberalism. Your friend either ran into the more progressive parts of that instance or an actual leftist from a federated one. Either way, they got told an accurate take.
Anyway, can we please stop all the attempts to make this place comfortable for conservative and right wing views in the name of "growth"? Have y'all actually been on a default subreddit in the last 15 years? Would that be worth it here?
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Hey you're doing the thing
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I think one of the issues is "normies" do not want to learn the lore like:
"don't bother with anyone with lemmygrad after their name"
"Block these communities on day one"
"Be sure to pick an instance that you researched aligns with your moderation tolerances"
If you have to do setup stuff, many folks are already out. Someone may see that as a feature, but I don't see Lemmy growing much more with that "feature".
So if you're happy with the size of things, mission accomplished. If you want to discuss "how to grow Lemmy" well, the above topics need to be addressed.
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Does hexbear run two instances or is that a mistake?
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Left "wing" in normie US is a broad neighborhood.
Left "ism" in normie US is a study of progressive politics with deviation from center exponentially growing as you go "more left".
Lots of "left wing" folks in the US are low on the leftism deviation curve, but due to the way things work in the US they are definitely "left wing".
So you absolutely get fiscal centrists with much "lefter" social opinions. And other "left-lite" view combos.
I think to grow Lemmy non combative, but non compromising spaces should exist. Much how some are warped right by spending too much time in the "manosphere" content, folks can be convinced of increasingly progressive politics by being welcomed here. Mind, I'm not saying anyone should cater to anything they don't agree with, but God damn Lemmy could be less combative. Purity testing mild left folks drives them right. You don't have to compromise your morals or positions to accomplish this.
So I'd close by saying Americans aren't "confused" about anything, they're just less exposed with further left policy / theory, due to being exposed most to milder progressive concepts.
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Until r/TheDonald you wouldn't really see right wing concepts on the frontpage.
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I'm like your friend. F--- leftists and f--- conservatives. I'm a hard core liberal and y'all can suck my d---.
I find lemm.ee is better than most but yeah as others have said, since everything is federated and the majority mass of users are hardcore leftists there's no way to really avoid them. Just get used to the downvotes and easily offended snowflakes and instabans and hope that as more people leave the mainstream social medias for federated socials that these people will be watered down.
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But an account means nothing, just make a new one on an instance that also aligns with your expectations
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Seriously people here seem to attach politics to a picture of a sandwich if God forbid the company logo is on the paper to the side.
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I distinctly remember liberal messages rising to the top on Reddit, stuff like that you should just accept that you have to go out and work for a living. That's not left!
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10s of millions of "left wing" (read, the entire spectrum from center to marx) folks believe that, for better or worse.
That opinion is entirely valid as "left wing" but certainly isn't very left, on an absolute scale.
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Yes, I agree. Most people in the US are definitely not Marxist-Leninist, yet that's a vibe i get here frequently.
A more mainstream instance for normal people would be nice. Maybe there should be a non-profit organization behind it to back it up, pay the server bills, and such.
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IDGAF about what the US is cooking up when it comes to political definitions, much less so when they disagree with the rest of the world. Anti-capitalism is necessary to be on the left, it's not negotiable.
Just like you wouldn't call someone who denies god a Christian. There's no "but they deny god a bit less than Richard Dawkins, so they're more Christian": No, they're still denying god, they can't be Christian. If they consider themselves Christian despite denying god, then it stands to reason that they're quite confused about what being a Christian entails, don't you think?
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... or clone the software and host it yourself.
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However if you come with an attitude to learn
Translation: if you are willing to swallow the opinion most people have here ...
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You're ina thread authored by an canadian about "normies". North American concepts matter.
Further, your purity test determination leaves no room for the varied mins of people all over the world. For example fiscal centrists who are socially progressive. You may call that a false leftist, but I'd just say they're a mild left wing voter. I bet if they weren't purity tested they'd eventually shift their perspective on fiscal matters leftward.
Point being people hold varied political opinions, sometimes in complete contrast to themselves. I bet there's some completely theory pure fiscal leftists who don't believe in abortion rights, or some other bizarre combo
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For example fiscal centrists who are socially progressive. You may call that a false leftist, but I’d just say they’re a mild left wing voter.
So you would call Peter Thiel a leftist? A literal billionaire? A literal neo-feudalist? Because he happens to be gay and proud of it?
You are taking a word that has been, since its literal inception (seating arrangements in the French national assembly, as seen from the lectern), been connected to the struggle of the masses vs. nobility/oligarchy, and you're attaching orthogonal meanings to it. You cannot be leftist if you're on the side of the oligarchy, if you're a capitalist.
"Socially progressive". You already have a term for it. Good. Use it. Don't dilute other terms.
centrists
There's no centre point between "believe in god" and "deny god": Either you do or you don't, and anything agnostic is not in the centre, it's not a compromise, but off the axis altogether.
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When did I suggest that would be a leftist? Maybe reread. Specifically the end.
He may hold left opinions on LGBTQ+ issues but hold completely contracting, non left wing opinions elsewhere. We can be sure that's true. He's certainly not a leftist, and likely not a left wing voter either.
Ultimately I'd highlight that you are doing the.thing: you are purity testing very broad language in a completely useless way