POV: It's January 19th

IninewCrow

Reminds of my favourite description of the US ....

"The US isn't a country, it's a corporation with a military"

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This comment summarized my point.

The comment I quoted and responded to, yes.

Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod

Yeah, only AMIERICAN companies can spy on our citizens and flood them with propaganda!

USA! USA! USA!

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I happen to like that tiktok spreads information about the genocide in Gaza, which is being shadowbanned on the western platforms.

Context is important. The current context of the tiktok ban is that it's hard for the US to control the political message with that big of a platform not under US control.

I happen to dislike censorship, even if it is done by the west.

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The point where I didn't deny propaganda being pushed in that comment.

archomrade [he/him]

I wonder if op has a strong opinion about china.

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I happen to like that tiktok spreads information about the genocide in Gaza,

So in the interest of that, you chose to deny that Tiktok is used to push CCP propaganda.

which is being shadowbanned on the western platforms.

Some of the Western platforms run by billionaires, yes, whom I explicitly compared to the CCP in the original comment.

Context is important. The current context of the tiktok ban is that it’s hard for the US to control the political message with that big of a platform not under US control.

You think it's the US government which is pushing Facebook and Twitter to censor Palestinian voices?

I happen to dislike censorship, even if it is done by the west.

But you'll tolerate it, if it pushes one view you do like? Or just if it's not done by the West?

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But this entire conversation sprouted from you explicitly denying propaganda being pushed. Saying "My point isn't that it's not propaganda" when every previous comment was about you denying it's propaganda rings very hollow.

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What time was that? (genuinely curious)

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The United Nations Human Rights Council doesn't seem to think so. It put this to bed two years ago. https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-china/news/setback-for-the-west-un-body-rejects-historic-debate-on-chinas-human-rights-record/

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So in the interest of that, you chose to deny that Tiktok is used to push CCP propaganda.

There's a difference in not knowing and denying.

Some of the Western platforms run by billionaires, yes, whom I explicitly compared to the CCP in the original comment.

Yeah, when you ignored the context of the OP.

You think it's the US government which is pushing Facebook and Twitter to censor Palestinian voices?

Are you always this nitpicky?

But you'll tolerate it, if it pushes one view you do like? Or just if it's not done by the West?

No. I prefer a wide range of different news sources where I can judge the biases. I can still get good information from Tiktok if I know that I should be critical concerning anything about China's policy.

So you'd prefer it if Facebook/Twitter/Google/Microsoft/Amazon are the only ones in control of mass online discourse? (That's the type of strawman you're constructing of me)

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Denying is different than not knowing.

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Before any of us were alive. Some would say before centralized banking in the early 20th

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Late 18th century. The chaos of the French Revolution arguably diluted its viability as an example to other countries, despite the structure of democratic government being objectively better, so you can argue that we were still on the cutting-edge through the 19th century, even, when most countries were still autocracies or constitutional monarchies with extremely questionable de jure voting systems.

I would argue as late as the 1950s, our democratic structure was closer to average than below-average, but by the 1970s, what gave the US more in-common with other developed democracies was that we had extensive practice with our democratic system; by then our structure was not just hopelessly outdated, but a structure that no one in their right mind would take seriously as a foundation for a new government. Come the fall of most of the single-party Soviet-backed regimes of the 1990s, and the only countries we actually beat out for being a 'good democracy' are ones that... well, are only questionably democracies to begin with. And even then, most of them have structures that are superior to our's; only a tradition of civic participation has led us to hobble on as long as we have without becoming an outright authoritarian state.

Though this might be the last month I can say that, which says a lot about the failures of our shitshow of an attempt at implementing democracy.

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Denying is different than not knowing.

... then you admit you were knowingly and outright lying?

That's... that's worse than what I was accusing you of.

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They out here. Both of them. This post smells just like one tbh.

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Umm. No, the exact opposite, o.O

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Why is there so much political messaging right now

Fuck off with all the democracy doomsday posting, I just want to see funny memes

Bizzle

That's my birthday lmfao

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There’s a difference in not knowing and denying.

As I said elsewhere, knowing it but still denying it, is considerably worse than being ignorant or confused.

Yeah, when you ignored the context of the OP.

... what context in the OP did I ignore?

Are you always this nitpicky?

This is what you said:

The current context of the tiktok ban is that it’s hard for the US to control the political message with that big of a platform not under US control.

I didn't realize that it was nitpicky to dispute a point.

No. I prefer a wide range of different news sources where I can judge the biases. I can still get good information from Tiktok if I know that I should be critical concerning anything about China’s policy.

You shouldn't be getting any of your information directly from social media. Furthermore, propaganda is like advertising - you are not immune to it. The "I'm too smart to be fooled" approach just makes you a mark.

So you’d prefer it if Facebook/Twitter/Google/Microsoft/Amazon are the only ones in control of mass online discourse? (That’s the type of strawman you’re constructing of me)

I would prefer it if none of them did, and if Facebook or Twitter or Google catches a ban, I won't be defending them as news sources which don't spread propaganda, "and if they did, so what?"