(Takes a deep breath)

Lesley Carhart :unverified:

We obviously need to have a talk about the fact that most hackers are pretty socially liberal and personal liberty driven. That means we typically fall in line on ideals with libertarian and civil liberties organizations and pundits.

It seems that some people are just discovering that occasionally techbro and traditional libertarians push things at those orgs to an extreme that not only do we not support and have to call out, but even the good people working there object to.

You do not need to be a universal apologist for those organizations because they mostly do good stuff. It’s unbecoming. Endorsing very bad stuff and fascist enabling is in fact, super bad. It needs to be resoundingly condemned, immediately.

Lesley Carhart :unverified:

Frankly it’s gross, and I’m disappointed in a few of you. I donate to ACLU and EFF and I will absolutely call out their rare policies and statements which harm marginalized people.

Lesley Carhart :unverified:

*Walks off shaking my head at the Proton apologists*

Lesley Carhart :unverified:

Oh ok I’m coming back for this: deciding we are on “teams” that are infallible is basest human nature and exactly how we are falling into global nationalism and a ironclad two party system in the US. Call shit out when your friends and coworkers do it. Call your orgs out!

Lesley Carhart :unverified:

This is more important than ever, globally. The rise of fascism and nationalism, extreme disinformation, climate change, economic disparity and oligarchy are all becoming normalized politically and socially. It’s very easy to be desensitized and accept the red line being moved further and further.

Lesley Carhart :unverified:

My people, two of the largest information sharing platforms on Earth now allow full blown hate speech against queer people. Programs that allow disadvantaged people to have a shot are being attacked, billionaires are becoming trillionaires while we struggle to get healthcare. Vigilance.

[nate@social0 ~]$ :idle:

@hacks4pancakes I dont think I caught what happened with Proton, guess i need to go read up on it, but. What your describing here ive heard called Tribalism. Its what makes sportball fans so hateful toward eachother that it sometimes comes to violence. Its what makes political parties so polar opposite from each other. And for a lot of humanity's history its whats kept groups of people alive.

Our base nature makes us fall in line with people who think like we do. And then stick with them until something big makes us change our minds. Some of us are OK being loners and so we end up taking more objective views on these sort of things. But the bulk of the human race.. Its reallly hard to change.

Those of us who can think freely, do, in fact, as you say, need to call it out when we see it, and we need to be as vocal as we can be without also alienating ourselves from the larger tribes. Becasue if we appear to be too much "outside" of their views... Well.. we're just the opposition.

Let me be clear though, I am NOT suggesting that we all need to be OK with the most radical examples here. Just so we can somehow believe that we might change their minds. I am perfectly fine with being alienated from hate groups for example. But I think there are a lot of people who are floating right now, and maybe just need a good breeze in the right direction.

Lesley Carhart :unverified:

@gangrif I can explain briefly, the proton CEO has pretty much publicly come out as a fascist, even posting Nazi related symbols. When I and others have called this out, hackers have rushed to their defense because they like proton.

[nate@social0 ~]$ :idle:

@hacks4pancakes Dammit...

I mean really.. Dammit. This all makes me wish I never stopped self-hosting all of my services... At least when I ran my own email I knew I generally agreed with the morals of my host..

Seriously though, thanks for filling me in. Now I have enough data to go dig deeper. I dont use proton for anything other than a single account for the defcon group I help organize.. so im not terribly impacted personally.

Im really getting sick of every tech company suddenly showing how terrible they truly are recently. These are the companies that we've all trusted to host the infrastructure that the world operates on. Its just infuriating.

Dan 🔓:afloppy::donor:, powered by sarcasm

@gangrif @hacks4pancakes it feels like everything everywhere has gone to shit with no relief in sight.

Lesley Carhart :unverified:

@sycophantic @gangrif every techbro who was held back by HR and PR just basically got a green light to be himself, as a corporate policy. At least we can see who people are

Dave Bittner

@hacks4pancakes Let the great unmasking begin…