One thing that really sucks about me leaving Twitter/X and losing so much of my audience and reach is that I can watch in real time the people who my generation and older in infosec all knew were abusers, harassers, and generally really dangerous peopl...
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Lesley Carhart :unverified:replied to Lesley Carhart :unverified: last edited by
A lot of very meaningful questions and comments. I know a few have been, “well why can’t you just list all their names”
They will sue me for defamation. Even if I hold direct evidence from victims, they will take me to court to deanonymize those victims and make it an unbearable financial burden. I already get regular death threats and my family and workplace get horrendous messages about me just because I’ve spoken up in the past in defense of their victims, who I believe. It’s a very tricky situation and why back channels were always so important.
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Nicole Parsonsreplied to Lesley Carhart :unverified: last edited by
Abusive people have a talent at identifying niches where their predation can operate unfettered.
Churches. Corporations. Startups. Foster Care. Orphanages. Prisons. Wall Street. Criminal syndicates. Film & entertainment.
Oddly enough, that's the same set of entities that fund Republicans.
What a strange coincidence. Not.
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@Npars01 @hacks4pancakes Not quite. I am part of an underground scene that has the same issue with predators. Certainly not bankrolled by any political party; if any, definitely not the right as it is overwhelmingly left-wing.
The issue we have is that the community has high turnover—many people cycle in and out over the course of two years, so collective memory is short-lived. Predators get ousted, they lay low for a few years, and then they're clear to come back... And our most popular social media channel authorities also clamp down on naming predators publicly, so that information has to be shared in private channels.I struggle to figure out how to keep that sort of a scene clean.
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Nullstring 🏴☠️replied to Lesley Carhart :unverified: last edited by
@hacks4pancakes no one warned me about captain crunch until i had already met him and engaged with him. first and last time, deeply upsetting that no one told me until then that hes a rapist, but that he was allowed to roam the conference literally surrounded by a crowd of boys.
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Jason Parker (he/they)replied to Nullstring 🏴☠️ last edited by
@0x00string @hacks4pancakes Captain Crunch is fucking awful. I've run into him once or twice as well. The group I was with (unknowingly) had me sit next to him at dinner one night -- what a fucking creep.
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Nullstring 🏴☠️replied to Jason Parker (he/they) last edited by
@north @hacks4pancakes word! my friends let me go meet him and allowed me to be all excited cause i knew of him from lore, and only after were they like "hahahaha yeah, dont go anywhere with or take any food or drink from him he will rape you." LIKE MF THATS THE KIND OF SHIT YOU SAY SOONER. WHY THE FUCK IS HE ALLOWED IN HERE?!
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Lesley Carhart :unverified:replied to Nullstring 🏴☠️ last edited by
@0x00string @north Or a certain open source "luminary" for whom people had to strategically maneuver young women away from his university office.
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Altytwo Altryness, BS :verified:replied to Lesley Carhart :unverified: last edited by
@hacks4pancakes @0x00string @north I remember hearing about how plants in offices were a great thing to have on campus.
I lived in MN at the time. Working at a truss plant. With no plans to attend college. I was and still am a dude. Yeah. =\ -
Nullstring 🏴☠️replied to Altytwo Altryness last edited by
@whereisthespai @hacks4pancakes @north super fucked up how these people are open secrets instead of removed from society
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Lesley Carhart :unverified:replied to Nullstring 🏴☠️ last edited by
@0x00string @whereisthespai @north It was such a refreshing change to see DEF CON not only believe victims, but fight in court to protect them and their privacy.
There are some fundamental problems here:
1) Often time the abusers are socially, politically, and financially in positions of power in the industry.
2) They often pass as charismatic and friendly to people they do not want to victimize, or cannot.
3) Their male friends (mostly) will often believe them for those reasons consistently over the people who come forward as victims, unless they actually see the assault in person.
4) They are mostly smart enough to conduct their abuse in private and in ways that can't be digitally tracked, so that there is less potential for evidence. Or so that their friends and the community only see the surface and can write it off as "trolling" or "eccentricity". And,
5) They abuse their position of power to make their victims feel alone and like they brought it on themselves.
6) Often times they play lip service to diversity or helping young people by donating to events or posting about it. The "I'm a 'nice guy'" thing. -
NosirrahSec 🏴☠️replied to Nullstring 🏴☠️ last edited by
@0x00string @north @hacks4pancakes Someone recently shared an article that described this shit in such great detail: "the missing stair."
(this wasn't what they shared, but the concept from it stuck with me HARD)