The events of the last couple of days have shown me that many ‘nice’, not Republican people want to see where on the pecking order they can place immigrants.
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Asta [AMP]replied to Asta [AMP] last edited by [email protected]
@[email protected] Musk was able to slide in illegally and then get a post-entrance visa for two reasons: one, he has money, and two, people thought he would make them money. That's it, those are the reasons. It doesn't have shit to do with the immigration system really. and he's an asshole who's actively abusing it against immigrant laborers. I am quite sure the only reason Twitter was still working for a long time was because the people on visas literally could not leave.
I've managed to avoid what, specifically, they're upset about re: Musk and H1Bs (whether it's about the labor he wants to take advantage of without saying "I am going to hire immigrants because they can't quit without facing deportation"... which I'm sure instead he's talking about, you know, 'hard workers' or whatever) or the fact that he came in illegally, but I know they're definitely not mad about the fact that he's exploiting people on visas. -
In mid November I was preparing for ‘those guys are going to be terrible on immigration again’. In late December I’m wondering why those guys are better on immigration than ‘my people’.
I guess none of them are my people and immigrants are just political footballs that people frankly don’t see as people.
I advocate for *all* immigrants loudly and clearly, no matter what papers they have, or don’t.
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I think a lot of people are sliding into nativist America First dressed up as some liberal ideology, and mistaking that for wanting to put Americans First. Because you all feel neglected by this country. I guess taking it out on the newcomers is the most American thing you can do.
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Today, I met a friend who has a 15 year wait for a green card. His manager ‘forgot’ to tell him the results of his immigration process, which he has no control or visibility over. When he found out what happened, he had only 3 days, instead of 3 months, to respond to paperwork that will change his life.
Every single one of us goes through inhumane processes with bigots and bureaucracy. Every one of us suffers with how even ‘nice’ people don’t understand how they can impact us like this.
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Adrianna Tanreplied to Adrianna Tan last edited by [email protected]
The reason why there are thousands of people risking life and death and the Darien gap is that they have 3x more of a chance of getting work authorization than a H-1B does. (If they survive)
Apparently, I’ve read from US liberal mastodon all week that it’s super easy to get a visa to come and take your jobs. Think about that.
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@[email protected] I can’t say I’m surprised to hear that people are doing this but it is very fucking disgusting that this is happening.
Elon is a ridiculous fucking sham of a person and all he does is exploit whatever, and whomever, he can. The fact that self-proclaimed leftists are immediately blaming the visa system instead of the guy who really sucks and makes a ton of problems for literally everyone on this goddamn planet is just… ugh. I’m sorry. I’ve been sick and am clearly in a bubble because I haven’t seen any of this. You, and every person in this goddamn country and elsewhere deserves none of this garbage.
Elon isn’t even pro immigration, he’s just pro exploitation. That’s it. For fuck’s sake. -
Immigration is one of the "revealers" of supremacist ideology: people are progressive until it comes to being progressive about borders. A lot of the US left are doubling down on "educate our nationals first" to disagree with elon, while clinging on to the implicit desire to see US supremacy maintained; which is ironically the same reason Elon is giving for skills-based visas. Both are aimed at maintaining global hierarchies instead of dismantling them.
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@aud read this piece by RR and all the comments. There are a bunch of folks here who I would call RR Dems, who are exactly like this
https://robertreich.substack.com/p/why-the-muskrat-is-wrong-about-opening
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@[email protected] oh Jesus CHRIST
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@[email protected] “which side is right?”, he asks. NEITHER THEY BOTH SUCK EGGS. god.
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I have another friend who literally educates your best and brightest in a public school, and she probably has to leave because her school totally bungled her H-1B renewal and green card in an almost comedic fashion.
I know people from ‘good countries’ (the ones you say you want more immigrants from! Not brown or black people!) with advanced degrees who have gone through so much shit you can’t even imagine. Life-changing, overnight hair-greying degrees of experiences with the immigration system
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@kavana you got that right. It’s depressing.
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Allowing many more skilled workers into the United States reduces any incentives on American business to invest in the American workforce. Why do so when they can get talent from abroad?
Allowing many more skilled workers into the U.S. also reduces the bargaining power of skilled workers already in America — and thereby reduces any incentive operating on other Americans to gain the skills for such jobs.
Jesus CHRIST how could anyone write such drivel. These are the fucking galaxy brains that have been running this shit show?
Why, pray tell, would allowing more skilled workers come in reduce the incentive to hire citizens? What’s the logic behind that? Does it have anything to do with, ohhhh, I dunno, them being easier to exploit?
And then he fucking leads into an argument “reducing the bargaining power” BUDDY. BUDDY MY DUDE. WHAT bargaining power? Bargaining power is not given, it is (rightfully) taken.
These assholes have eaten 99% of the goddamn pie and arguing over who gets the scraps. Fuck em.
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@aud lol and I got to it by seeing people post here, agreeing with him
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Prof. Catherine Flickreplied to Adrianna Tan last edited by
@skinnylatte not in the U.S. but I dealt with the UK immigration system for 15 years and even as a “good” immigrant (or so old guys at bus stops told me) it was a total nightmare and a constant cloud hanging over me. Finally got my citizenship this year and hope that will keep the Home Office off my back now, just awful. Can’t begin to think how hard it is for refugees or immigrants that don’t speak English etc. I always help immigrants if I can because my experience was so dreadful.
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@skinnylatte I've had to explain to a lot of US Americans how their immigration works, and is horrific to go through, and why, considering I am incredibly lucky and have several other options, we are going for those options instead. (Deadlines for the operating bodies that are respected by the operating bodies! Clear laws that are in readable format for everyone! Clear requirements that aren't buried three layers deep that you have to hope the local government peeps are familiar with and will let you do! No actual need for an excellent immigration lawyer!)
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Adrianna Tanreplied to Adrianna Tan last edited by [email protected]
I’ve now decided it’s probably unsafe to share any details about my immigration journey with anyone unless they are also immigrants. After all, I did read a ‘liberal’ say they should call ICE if they think that a H1B got a job over a ‘native American’. Who needs ICE when you have blue state fash?
Chances are they aren’t going to call ICE on a French or Swedish H-1B (these people exist too!)
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@[email protected] how can someone frame this as a “labor issue” and think about it for more than two seconds and not come to the conclusion that what we need is better support and protections for workers. Why would a business prefer an H1B holder? Is it because they’re more skilled? Let’s say yes for the sake of argument. Why are you then insisting it’s the role of business to train citizens with the necessary skills instead of, say, the fucking state!? Maybe we lack “skilled” workers because of issues like our terrible for profit education system! Maybe we lack “skilled” workers because our educational system actively discriminates against more than half the population! Or because companies are biased against hiring women and BIPOC and don’t think of them as skilled! Maybe we’d have more “skilled citizens” if some of systemic issues were worked on?
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Adrianna Tanreplied to Asta [AMP] last edited by [email protected]
@aud oh someone also told me that we should reduce H1Bs so ‘they bring caste discrimination over here’
Yes, that sucks, but you don’t know anything about that either
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Ulrike Walter-Lipowreplied to Adrianna Tan last edited by
@skinnylatte Yup, I think it actually has been like that for a while. I see it not just in the US, the EU as well: the rhetoric about "illegal immigrants" takes it toll. People start to associate migration with criminality, they don't bother to educate themselves about the complicated rules that govern "legal" migration, they are thoroughly unfamiliar with the complexities and challenges migrants face, because that would disturb their ideas about good and bad ...