It's always so easy to blame women, isn't it?

William Lindsey :toad:

@mrraccoon What has not been around since humans have speech is the internet and the hugely amplified way it transmits lies and disinformation.

ಚಿರಾಗ್ 🌹✊🏾Ⓥ🌱🇵🇸 (he/him)

@wdlindsy I agree that it's not the _only_ factor, but when something that is concretely hurting you is tied so deeply with an abstract concept like democracy, it really doesn't help.

William Lindsey :toad:

@MylesRyden As I posted here on November 4, the day before the election, I have learned from living half of the 20th century and over 20 years in the new century that one can never underestimate the depths of racism and misogyny American voters will reveal when they go to cast their votes. I grew up and live in the US South and know this in my bones.

William Lindsey :toad:

@hamishb A very good point to make.

William Lindsey :toad:

@todwest You say the Democratic party is to blame.

I see things very differently. We are talking past each other.

William Lindsey :toad:

@TheEffekt Perhaps because I grew up in the US South and live there still, I really have no problem seeing that this is what my country wants. Add to that my experience as an openly gay man in a same-sex marriage, which only amplifies and confirms so much I've seen growing up in the white South as it resisted civil rights for people of color tooth and nail. I've never been permitted to have illusions about the "goodness" and "innocence" of my fellow citizens.

William Lindsey :toad:

@martinvermeer Yes, well-stated.

Extra_Special_Carbon

@wdlindsy @AeonCypher I don’t think that was the point. They said, it was also the problem, and that is not wrong. It is frequently used by the right to divide us.

William Lindsey :toad:

@RonSupportsYou Is there a particular reason you want to ignore that a huge majority of Black women and a smaller majority of Black men voted for Kamala Harris? And that Harris won over half of Latino votes?

No need to answer, really.

Trojan Duck

@wdlindsy Yes, we are, because you and the so-called Democratic brain trust willfully refuse to see what's right in front of your collective eyes. The fact that you are buying onto this clearly incorrect spin, without bothering to explain any of it, shows just how ingrained this herd mentality is.

'The Democratic party is wonderful. Why are the voters so stupid?'

Not a very convincing message if you ask me.

Have a nice decade.

JohnW

@wdlindsy

Honestly it was a harsh slap in the face for me. It took me down for a few days. I've always lived in Dem states (or at least districts) and didn't see the whole picture I guess.

The fact that all the swing states went Trumps way and he got so much of the popular vote indicates that Dems jumped ship too. That was the harsher reality for me.

patrickco

@wdlindsy @SykesCharlie sorry about that, I was just reacting to the “Trump broke American journalism” quote, without having read the attached piece I reacted too fast in part because I am passionately convinced that we are not focusing enough on these damn algorithms that are the modern “opium” that is destroying our society. We should IMO just classify them as dangerous drugs and regulate them accordingly…

William Lindsey :toad:

Mike Luckovich's commentary on what we've just seen millions of US voters choose.

#Trump #fascism #cruelty #future
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Cartoon: Shattered glass

A cartoon by Mike Luckovich.

Daily Kos (www.dailykos.com)

William Lindsey :toad:

@patrickco @SykesCharlie Thanks for your good response. A good term to use, I think, when it comes to how algorithms affect us: opium.

Vanessa A. Shafer

@wdlindsy I think it's clear that Trump is just going to be the figurehead. A president on paper if you will. I don't think Vance is smart enough to be the power behind the scenes. Which leaves Elon Musk. The founders would be spinning in their graves.

William Lindsey :toad:

@TheEffekt I do think that living in different parts of the country with different histories shapes how we see these matters in very different ways. We are, unfortunately, seeing the extension of social attitudes that once were concentrated in the South (or maybe that was an illusion?) to other areas of the country, which is why, I suspect, Heather Cox Richardson wrote her book on how the South won the Civil War.

Human after all

@wdlindsy He has already lost to Putin.

William Lindsey :toad:

@todwest Thanks for letting me know I belong to the "Democratic brain trust."

Who knew?

William Lindsey :toad:

@Extra_Special_Carbon @AeonCypher I was quoting your own words back to you. Did I misunderstand them, do you mean?

William Lindsey :toad:

@chiraag There's concrete hurting, and there's imagined concrete hurting, due to the powerful appeal of disinformation.