@ron_jeremy said:

As for the hosting, if you're hellbent on hosting it yourself, you're going to want to at least proxy the node.js stuff via Apache or nginx or some other reverse proxy webserver, but that still won't stop it from being easily DoS'ed .....

Here is your red flag. Everyone who doesn't know web development and design in the real world focuses on being DoS attacked. Why? Because it is the cool, scary word that they heard on TV. Wake up to the real world, only a handful of massive websites or really aggravating groups get DoS'd in the real world. This isn't a threat for normal people and normal websites. This is a completely naive thing to be concerned about for a forum of this nature. I run the tech site of the busiest NodeBB forum that we know of (tens of thousands of posts per thread, millions of views on a single thread, nearly a thousand daily posts, over 10K views an hour) and these concerns are quite simply, silly.

This is what a little kid trying to talk about IT sounds like. In the real world, being DoS attacked is not something that happens every day. That takes time and energy and requires someone with a goal. And if you want to protect against it, which I've needed to do, the platform that you run on isn't where that tooling is going to be.

I'd stop talking to this guy.

@kinderjaje said:

@a_5mith "we charge $95 USD per hour" that is a quote from Julian, so freelancer i look cant cost that bro. With due respect for everyone works on nodebb and their own values, but for me that is sick price.

That's actually crazy low and I would recommend to the NodeBB guys that they reconsider working for anything so low. They are a unique resource and can do custom work at a rate and efficiency that no one else can touch. No one. I totally understand that you can't afford them, that's not cheap to a home user. But this is Node.js development we are talking about. At $95/hour these guys are literally doing work as a favor.

I work for a consulting firm and if you wanted us to look at this we'd be 50%-100% higher and we don't have the kinds of Node.js and certainly not the NodeBB skills that they have. That's just basic market price. Anyone capable of doing this work is going to be very expensive. Even if you live in a low cost area, Node.js skills are universal so people doing that work there can get paid to work in NYC, London or Toronto remotely or relocated to where the work is.

You can find cheaper people out there, sure. But you can't find better ROI or TCO, I guarantee it.

A little tooting of our own horn, but today is the fifth anniversary of the MangoLassi IT Pro Community which started in 2014 running on NodeBB since day one. Still growing after five years and a great partnership with NodeBB that has done so much to make it all possible for us.

@herruu said in Which is better NodeBB or Discourse?:

At several moments, we also looked at both Discourse and NodeBB but you both lack a simple install procedure for a shared hosting provider (in my case vimexx.be). In fact, there's no way to install your application there at all! And it's a real pity that it's not the case because NodeBB is a very good forum platform.

You have to understand that the reason you had an issue is because you chose a PHP host, not a NodeJS host. There is zero issue running on shared hosting and no documentation needed to do so. The issue is that you specifically tested with a host that is only focused on different platforms than what this one runs on. Vimexx is not a generic "host any app" system, it's very specifically a PHP host only. Nothing wrong with that, that's very common for basic web applications (specifically WordPress), but no hosting like that is generic and even many PHP apps cannot be hosted there (I know, I run a PHP host like them and there's no way around those limitations.)

If you used NodeJS shared hosting, you'd have no issues. Same would happen if you tried to install a Java, .NET, Windows, Python, Perl or other application there. Your shared hosting has to be chosen based on matching the application environment of the software that you want to run.

Much of what you like about these advanced platforms comes from their use of NodeJS over PHP. So this isn't some background noise or weird choice, it's literally the core of the issue.

Up to date on all of ours and working well.

Is this the longest one? We have been waiting to hit the landmark 10K posts. And we just did it minutes ago. Not a very meaningful thread, but epic in length and views (but not the most viewed every, second as far as we know.)

10,000 posts in a single thread

Feel free to pop in and contribute? ML is a technical community so perfect place for NodeBB admins to hang out too! And a great place to push the performance limits of NodeBB.

@kenygamer said in Run two nodebb ionsame server:

@pichalite said in Run two nodebb ionsame server:

@kenygamer you don't know how to run 2 installs of NodeBB on the same server and you are offering installation and support for others for a fee?

Stop scamming people.

Ssshhhh, I'm not hosting two NodeBB's on the same server, that's stupid
I offer a VPS for every installation, i dont host two on the same

Stupid? That's very, very smart. Why would you split up the applications?

@kenygamer said in Run two nodebb ionsame server:

@AOKP Because i dont (yet) have money to afford a big vps

So.... what does that mean for your customers? It only takes a $5 VPS to have many NodeBB instances. Is it that your customers total revenue is under $5? I'm confused. You would have to be spending way too much money to have one VPS per instance, yet you say your are too poor. Those two things don't go together.

MangoLassi is still going strong, after 4.5 years on NodeBB; and they just announced their third annual conference for May. And they just hit a new volume of monthly traffic...

Just saying hey, as we've not been on here a lot for a while, as things have been running so smoothly.

We are nearing our fifth anniversary on NodeBB and we still constantly get compliments that the site is so screaming fast and responsive and makes interacting a pleasure. It's been a great journey so far and we just keep growing.

From a performance perspective, NodeBB is mind blowing. Everyone coming to our forum is always commenting on how screaming fast it is.

My guess is that this is people who don't understand their database and have built it incorrectly for their needs. MongoDB under some circumstances is not supposed to return all records. If you want that guarantee you either need to architect your database for it or use a database that guarantees it under all conditions. This is not a reliability issue with MongoDB unless these guys produce something a lot more substantial that rumours. MongoDB is pretty good, we've had it in production at some decent scale for three and a half years and I use it in numerous places, not only with NodeBB.

If you are looking for random threads of anonymous people posting "concerns" about things that they don't understand about any database, you can find it. Everyone tied to one product likes to have "concerns" about the products that they didn't choose or don't support (or sell.) I would take this with a grain of salt. If you look at the rest of that thread, it's a joke. People who clearly don't understand data theory and use cases or schemas or relational data just ranting because they hate the idea of "new" even when it is quite old (NoSQL pre-dates relational data, I've been a NoSQL engineer since 1989 and it was OLD then - we just didn't this cool retro name for it.)

With any database, it's worth knowing if there are issues. But MongoDB is a leader and absolutely perfect for this use case. The problem with the people in that thread is that they are looking for relational systems that are not sharded and are full synchronous across shards all of the time, choose something that they didn't understand that was the wrong tool for the job and instead of admitting that they were confused and goofed on their selection they rail against the product.

Email notifications are huge for us. I get someone asking for it every couple days.

@Mukkamala-Akhil said in Please let us know whether NodeBB will be actively maintained as Enterprise Grade Community Software. ?:

@julian, @baris Could you please let me know whether NodeBB is actively and well maintained when compared to Discourse.

We as a team would love to start an Amazing Programming Community. I am a FullStack Dev.

The only turning point wanting me to stick with NodeBB is it is powered by Node JS.

Things which I love in Discourse are :

1. Huge Development Team.
2. Well Maintained.
3. Immediate Releases & Fixes.
4. Badges system which is extremely awesome, which makes users stick to the community and contribute, Which isn't available in NodeBB.

As we wanted a Stable Channel for building our Community, We were a Bit skeptical whether this project (NodeBB) will be maintained thoroughly and there will enough releases and fixes consistently.

Will this project be continued actively ?

We actively wanted to have an Enterprise Level Community forum software. So Please let us know @admin

What do you mean? NodeBB has been well maintained as an enterprise product for half a decade now. You are WAY past the point of needing to ask that question. As someone who has had this in massive scale production since Q1 2014, it has everything you want, except the badges, which we would like.

What makes you think it hasn't had all of that non-badge stuff for a long time? What is the thing making you skeptical? You can get all kinds of support, too, both from NodeBB itself or from enterprise hosting and consulting companies. The support options are really broad.

Discourse is good, too. No knocking those guys.

@gotwf said in Which is better NodeBB or Discourse?:

ocker is for lamers who don't know how to be system admins

That's how I would sum it up as well. It has its place, I've been a container fan for a very long time. But the idea that you can simply put an isolated app into a container and no longer have to maintain anything is crazy. You isolate to a point and suddenly it's just an app and you are back to where you started. We already have operating systems to isolate applications like that. This is just another layer if you don't manage it correctly.

I think, like so many things in IT, people see the "magic black box" and think that by choosing the buzz word tech of the moment that magic will happen and they can not bother to actual manage things.

When are we getting the official announcement made plus a list of new features and changes?

Our first site that we host has been updated.

One thing that I fear from Docker is the community. It's the latest buzzword and hype and because of that, most people using it see it as some magic panacea, and that creates hubris, and hubris leads to instability and insecurity. People who think technology is magic and not subject to the normal rules or rigors are how bad things happen.

@kinderjaje said:

I dont know how much u guys earning but 95$/h lets say u work 8h per day its its 760$ daily/22k a month. I think google emplyers and in some really really big companies have that salary.

You don't understand how employment / consulting works. Google is actually not a high end paying firm, by the way. They are upper mid level. Keep in mind, salaried people making $300K USB (a reasonable amount of money for what these guys do) also have taxes of another $60K or so, plus insurance and all kinds of expenses. The total cost for a developer at this skill level is closer to $400K / year. And that's for someone that you guarantee to pay full time, around the clock, every day without fail.

A contractor rate is inclusive of all of that. They have to not only cover all of those costs themselves out of that money but they have to pay for payroll, accounts receivable, their secretary and other support staff. The rule of thumb is that the contractor should see roughly 1/3rd of the money that they change. And then you have to consider that they are not getting paid every day of every month. It's a one time deal, probably for just a few days. So they have lots of time without making any money. They would need a staff of sales people and account managers, all of whom cost a lot of money, working full time finding them work to keep themselves busy to come anywhere close to getting to work "full time."

So as you can see $95/hr is insanely low. It's lower than Best Buy charges to install a hard drive! It's low because they are doing this out of passion and are only asking for enough money to keep the lights on and are doing the work as a favor by and large.