@perigee well I do apologise and try to make amends when I cause harm.Note the word apologise.I don't use a casually tossed sorry.We've all got to do the work and reading.But it's interesting once you start to learn, you see abuse in so called "civilised" spaces.Then you've more growth to do, because what do you do about it? I still have growth to do, I will always have growth to do.