TIL that the term "Y'all" is considered AAVE (african american vernacular English) and its use by white people like me is frowned upon.
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@jwildeboer Edit: I respect your decision, and hope it's ok I include my thoughts
That's news to me
A lot of African Americans brought "y'all" to the north, so if you're in a northern state, I guess it could be considered AAVE. But there are conflicting accounts of how it originated in the south@aires Yep. But I simply have neither the time nor the energy to go into such discussions. I simply use a different word and move on. Is all
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TIL that the term "Y'all" is considered AAVE (african american vernacular English) by people I respect a lot and its use by white people like me is frowned upon. Hence I will not use the term anymore and apologise for the times I did, not knowing the specifics.
@jwildeboer I have not heard this before! Can you point me somewhere where I can learn more?
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@jwildeboer I have not heard this before! Can you point me somewhere where I can learn more?
@dneary No. I simply don't have the time or energy to research that topic. I was asked in friendly ways by people I respect to not use that term and I agreed to that. Is all.
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So I will now just say "people" or "folks" instead as I want to avoid the colloquial "guys" for obvious reasons.
wrote last edited by [email protected]And to make this very clear: You are free to use whatever words you want. I am not telling you to do the same. I did not research deeply about the origin and specifics. There are enough other terms I can use instead, so I will. That's all, folks
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@jwildeboer in Pennsylvania we have 'youse' on the east and 'yins' on the west.
A real linguistic paradox is that while having two different words for second person singular and second person plural is a more sophisticated language construction, in English it is viewed as ignorant (typically by people that only speak one language)
@donholloway @jwildeboer ha, "you's" is also common Scottish, especially Glaswegian, and I love it very much
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@donholloway @jwildeboer ha, "you's" is also common Scottish, especially Glaswegian, and I love it very much
@donholloway ... and wikipedia to the rescue: You § Plural forms - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You#Plural_forms
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TIL that the term "Y'all" is considered AAVE (african american vernacular English) by people I respect a lot and its use by white people like me is frowned upon. Hence I will not use the term anymore and apologise for the times I did, not knowing the specifics.
@santiago I can say as someone from the Midwestern United States this is... not an accurate representation of the term as it is used in its "native habitat," so to speak. "Y'all" is very much a part of the dialect of folks from about where I live and anywhere further south, regardless of race. No American English speaker frowns when a white person uses it. @jwildeboer should feel free to use it. The only time it will draw a frown is if someone too far up north uses it and says "you-all" and makes it awkward sounding.
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@santiago I can say as someone from the Midwestern United States this is... not an accurate representation of the term as it is used in its "native habitat," so to speak. "Y'all" is very much a part of the dialect of folks from about where I live and anywhere further south, regardless of race. No American English speaker frowns when a white person uses it. @jwildeboer should feel free to use it. The only time it will draw a frown is if someone too far up north uses it and says "you-all" and makes it awkward sounding.
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And to make this very clear: You are free to use whatever words you want. I am not telling you to do the same. I did not research deeply about the origin and specifics. There are enough other terms I can use instead, so I will. That's all, folks
There are bigger problems to solve out there. Language bike shedding is not my thing wrote last edited by [email protected](Most of the comments are from white people that tell me it all isn't that bad, that southerners use teh term all the time etc. Just reinforces my opinion I made the right choice. Black people: no need to get involved, unless you want to of course.I was expecting these reactions. Let's all care about the bigger problems surrounding us
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(Most of the comments are from white people that tell me it all isn't that bad, that southerners use teh term all the time etc. Just reinforces my opinion I made the right choice. Black people: no need to get involved, unless you want to of course.I was expecting these reactions. Let's all care about the bigger problems surrounding us
@jwildeboer Please don’t use the phrase “coloured people”. Because of its past, it has hugely racist overtones.
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@jwildeboer Please don’t use the phrase “coloured people”. Because of its past, it has hugely racist overtones.
@samir Thank you for that. What term is better? mixed? Or just say black?
