The One Percent

[lugal@sopuli.xyz]

Well, she was born in 1933 so her fieldwork took place less than 100 years ago...

Also great moving the goal post on your side. You said pure socialism doesn't work and asked for long term, I gave you that. Now you say this isn't within the last hundreds of years which is wrong. If by country you mean nation state, I can't give you an example and I'm pretty sure this is the only thing you take out of this comment. There are alternatives to nation states. If you ask for people fighting today for a stateless society, look up Rojava or the Zapatistas. If this is too far away from Europe for you, look up the anarchosyndicalists in Spain less than a century ago. If you have specific criteria, maybe give them beforehand. If you are a troll, go fuck yourself. Also big citation needed that one techbro destroyed the forest commons in Nepal.

[pelespirit@sh.itjust.works]

Not moving goal posts. Last comment because you're obviously not wanting to answer. A successful socialist country or nation state is what I'm asking for and have been asking for all along.

Name one country or nation state that has made it work long term (let's say 10 years) in the last HUNDREDS of years. Pick a century, any century. You can choose from any time period you want.

I know this is breaking your brain, good luck.

[lugal@sopuli.xyz]

To make it more obvious that already: I'm an anarchist. I am against nation states. I do not believe in socialist states because I am against all states. I gave you enough examples of non- and anti-state projects already. The liberation of Kobane is a little more than 10 years ago so Rojava. The Zapatistas declared independence in 1994. The commons discussed earlier went on for centuries in areas big enough to be several states. But they don't count because they didn't have a head of state, three levels of administration and a parliament?

[pelespirit@sh.itjust.works]

You think this is a situation to be envious of?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kobanî

I think we're not only on the same page, but at different libraries. Good luck to you.

[lugal@sopuli.xyz]

YPG-led forces recapture the whole of Kobanî city in late January 2015

So counting the recapture, it's a little less than 10 years but [t]he region gained its de facto autonomy in 2012 which is 12 years and counting. I hope you didn't think I sided with the Islamic State for some reason which sieged the city for 6 months.

[pelespirit@sh.itjust.works]

Aren't we going back to a Bernie Sanders thing? A socialist democracy.

The AANES has widespread support for its universal democratic, sustainable, autonomous, pluralist, equal, and feminist policies in dialogues with other parties and organizations.[

[lugal@sopuli.xyz]

Both democracy and socialism have a wide range of meanings. AANES has a confederal council democracy, a much more direct democracy than the US or any other nation state. Their concept of socialism is much more radical than Sanders's.

[lillypip@lemmy.ca]

(Copying my comment on a similar, older post, because I really want to share this info again since I think it’s fascinating:)

The notion that the early formation of societies was based on security rather than empathy is outdated. Compassion has many evolutionary advantages, especially in primate species where offspring are born vulnerable. It’s clearly evident in other primates who live in groups (or ‘societies’), as a driving force of cooperation and group cohesion.

Here’s a recent paper (2022) by Penny Spikins, PhD at the University of York, Department of Archaeology, that explores how compassion shaped early human evolution and the formation of societies: The Evolutionary Basis for Human Empathy, Compassion and Generosity.

And here’s another from 2011 by Goetz et al that explores in detail the evolutionary advantages of compassion: Compassion: An Evolutionary Analysis and Empirical Review.

Those papers are both fascinating reads, and I highly recommend them for a deeper understanding of why and how empathy is crucial to our success as a species.

(For a couple of centuries, the narrative has been humans are warlike and that’s what dominated our development, but that’s simply not true. We’ve been that way for the past couple thousand years, but largely not before that. I’ll leave up to the reader what significant ‘development’ coincided with that shift in our overall behaviour.)

[guydudeman@lemmy.world]

Good points, and great articles. Thank you.

[psud@aussie.zone]

A pile of bananas to the moon