Ok, #Israel , #PagerAttack
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by [email protected]
@burnoutqueen look I'm not saying Israel *hasn't* committed a war crime here; I'm saying there's no evidence it has - rather, that I don't understand where people find their supposed evidence for this, and that considering the purpose of the operation, it most likely hasn't.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa 🌹:debian_logo:​:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen there we go, THANK YOU. Genuinely. People on the fediverse source worse than fucking Ben Gvir
Now I'm going to sleep on this. cya in the morning.
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Queen Antifa 🌹:debian_logo:​:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@laxla there was a Guardian article I linked, and I also saw videos of the damage.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa 🌹:debian_logo:​:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen that post is replying to it.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@burnoutqueen I saw videos of the beepers damage and they're minor, very minor.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@burnoutqueen the walkies talkies I'm just gonna calculate how much force they outputted because I'm afraid it'll be too graphic.
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Queen Antifa 🌹:debian_logo:​:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@laxla it talks about the civilian impact.
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Queen Antifa 🌹:debian_logo:​:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@laxla sorry for being bad at sourcing.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa 🌹:debian_logo:​:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen it's fine I'm not mad at you but I'm definitely going to laugh at you forever now /lh
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Jennifer Moore 😷replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
I had a similar thought. I definitely think it _was_ a lot more targeted than in Gaza, where the proportions of civilians & children being killed/maimed/sickened are unusually high.
Then I read that Hezbollah isn't exactly an army, but more like a partial-government, which employs civilians as well as fighters. So it's unclear to me now what proportion of the people with pagers had ordinary jobs. I expect we'll find out more in coming days.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Jennifer Moore 😷 last edited by
@unchartedworlds like, there's definitely not enough publicly available info to reach the conclusion of "war crime".
And imho if you have a beeper with war orders, that's honestly, a you problem, not Israel's problem; as I've found a source yesterday - I think it was Kan 11, which is surprisingly objective - that says Israel's trigger message pretended to be from Hizballah Command - so that means only beepers that can decrypt those messages - that is, militants' beepers - would explode.
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Jennifer Moore 😷replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
I've just been poking around the international Conventions, and it does look to me like Israel signed up to banning "the use of booby-traps and other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects".
https://disarmament.unoda.org/the-convention-on-certain-conventional-weapons/high-contracting-parties-and-signatories-ccw/So I suspect that when people are calling the pager explosions "a war crime", they're referring to that agreement - not the variable of who was targeted.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Jennifer Moore 😷 last edited by
@unchartedworlds yes, they do. I'm gonna look into the definition of a booby trap.
Because this doesn't feel like a war crime, at all.