Ok, #Israel , #PagerAttack
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@laxla
I'm going to frame this in a way you would understandIf someone gave Israeli government officials, including members of the Likud party, exploding smartphones, and set them to detonate in the evening when they are out in public, that's essentially planting a bomb in a public place.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen ok this says nothing but quote Nasrallah's speech. Can you stop sending random articles at me? It only sends the sentiment you don't have any source.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen and it won't be a war crime if it hits no one but them. Yig'al Amir wasn't a terrorist (domestic, so won't be a war criminal anyway). He was just a murderer.
Also wrong comparison but sure.
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
There's also this.
Lebanon: Exploding Pagers Harmed Hezbollah, Civilians
Thousands of pagers simultaneously exploded across Lebanon and parts of Syria on September 17, 2024, resulting in at least 12 deaths, including at least two children and two health workers, and at least 2,800 injuries, according to Lebanonβs Ministry of Health.
Human Rights Watch (www.hrw.org)
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by [email protected]
@burnoutqueen sealioning?
Also, horrified doesn't mean war crimes. I am horrified since Oct. 7th, and I'm not aware that Hizballah has committed any war crimes since then.
I've not read that article yet, as I'm going to ask you first - does it say anything about civilians being hurt? With sources they're civilians (as in does the guardian guess, or does it know)? Does anyone have proof this operation had an unacceptable amount of civilian death? (say, enough that a police, even a good police, committing the same operation - the way a police does it, not by exploding people's beepers - would have less innocent causalties)
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by [email protected]
@burnoutqueen look I'm not saying Israel *hasn't* committed a war crime here; I'm saying there's no evidence it has - rather, that I don't understand where people find their supposed evidence for this, and that considering the purpose of the operation, it most likely hasn't.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen there we go, THANK YOU. Genuinely. People on the fediverse source worse than fucking Ben Gvir
Now I'm going to sleep on this. cya in the morning.
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@laxla there was a Guardian article I linked, and I also saw videos of the damage.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen that post is replying to it.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@burnoutqueen I saw videos of the beepers damage and they're minor, very minor.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@burnoutqueen the walkies talkies I'm just gonna calculate how much force they outputted because I'm afraid it'll be too graphic.
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@laxla it talks about the civilian impact.
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@laxla sorry for being bad at sourcing.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen it's fine I'm not mad at you but I'm definitely going to laugh at you forever now /lh
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Jennifer Moore π·replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
I had a similar thought. I definitely think it _was_ a lot more targeted than in Gaza, where the proportions of civilians & children being killed/maimed/sickened are unusually high.
Then I read that Hezbollah isn't exactly an army, but more like a partial-government, which employs civilians as well as fighters. So it's unclear to me now what proportion of the people with pagers had ordinary jobs. I expect we'll find out more in coming days.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Jennifer Moore π· last edited by
@unchartedworlds like, there's definitely not enough publicly available info to reach the conclusion of "war crime".
And imho if you have a beeper with war orders, that's honestly, a you problem, not Israel's problem; as I've found a source yesterday - I think it was Kan 11, which is surprisingly objective - that says Israel's trigger message pretended to be from Hizballah Command - so that means only beepers that can decrypt those messages - that is, militants' beepers - would explode.
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Jennifer Moore π·replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
I've just been poking around the international Conventions, and it does look to me like Israel signed up to banning "the use of booby-traps and other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects".
https://disarmament.unoda.org/the-convention-on-certain-conventional-weapons/high-contracting-parties-and-signatories-ccw/So I suspect that when people are calling the pager explosions "a war crime", they're referring to that agreement - not the variable of who was targeted.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Jennifer Moore π· last edited by
@unchartedworlds yes, they do. I'm gonna look into the definition of a booby trap.
Because this doesn't feel like a war crime, at all.