Ok, #Israel , #PagerAttack
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
Those pagers were essentially timed to go off regardless of who had possession of it at the time, and in addition some of those pagers were used by doctors at a hospital because hospitals also use pagers.
If I gave 2000 people a device that was timed to explode at a given time (a time bomb), especially a time where they might be in public, that would mean I'm a terrorist.
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@laxla there was essentially no way of knowing who had the pagers, where they were at the time of the scheduled attack, and whether or not people were close by.
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@laxla in addition, there are non-militant members of Hezbollah as well. Hezbollah is a political party with a paramilitary wing. Many civil servants in Lebanon are members of Hezbollah.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen alright, so:
1. A non militant member of Hizballah having a beeper with war orders is like a Mitnakhabel buying shawarma in Ramallah.
2. As for close-by - the pagers seemed to have a relatively low explosion radius that only hurt the person carrying them. This applied less well to the walkies talkies, but we don't know remotely enough about them yet, so can't really talk about it.
3. While it is true there is no way to know who's carrying a pager, there seemed to only be 1 mishit; the 10yo girl. Plus, there's no way to know where a rocket would strike, or if a cyber attack targeting Hizballah's servers might also affect a secret private hospital or something. Any form of war other than shooting people in the face is a war crime by this logic. The NYPD commuted a war crime by shooting that boy a few weeks ago, by that logic (as they also shot other people and themselves).
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@burnoutqueen ...considering cyberterrorism is a thing.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by [email protected]
@burnoutqueen I seriously do not see where the civilian population was highly endangered with the beepers.
With the walkies talkies, idk how much explosives in them.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by [email protected]
@burnoutqueen like, this is an extremely targeted attack. Israel knowingly bypassed Hizballah's verification system for this. Manufactured real beepers, too, so they didn't just throw them around everywhere hoping they'll reach Hizballah; they actually built credibility until Hizballah bought from the company that bought from them.
Israel needed those beepers to reach military targets; that was the entire point, to have their names. If they reached civilians, that'd be useless! And the logical conclusion is: Israel has done everything possible to ensure only militants are hit.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@burnoutqueen like, as for the doctors thingy, I'll need a source that explicitly says a doctor was hit by an exploding beeper.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen this says nothing about a doctor behing hit by a pager with explosives.
It says a hospital used pagers, doesn't specify Israeli made, doesn't specify they exploded, and doesn't specify anyone was hurt, unless I very missed something.
Israel didn't put a TNT minecart in every single pager.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen again, hospitals were overwhelmed, not doctors were being hit.
And patients are mostly young men. Fits the Hezbollah profile. Statistically, if Israel didn't care, this shouldn't've happened.
Yes, there's panic in the streets of Beirut. There's also panic in the streets of literally everywhere in Israel outside the State of Tel Aviv. It's called war.
I'm seriously not seeing what's so undistinguishing here
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
@laxla
I'm going to frame this in a way you would understandIf someone gave Israeli government officials, including members of the Likud party, exploding smartphones, and set them to detonate in the evening when they are out in public, that's essentially planting a bomb in a public place.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen ok this says nothing but quote Nasrallah's speech. Can you stop sending random articles at me? It only sends the sentiment you don't have any source.
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by
@burnoutqueen and it won't be a war crime if it hits no one but them. Yig'al Amir wasn't a terrorist (domestic, so won't be a war criminal anyway). He was just a murderer.
Also wrong comparison but sure.
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Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux:replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by
There's also this.
Lebanon: Exploding Pagers Harmed Hezbollah, Civilians
Thousands of pagers simultaneously exploded across Lebanon and parts of Syria on September 17, 2024, resulting in at least 12 deaths, including at least two children and two health workers, and at least 2,800 injuries, according to Lebanonβs Ministry of Health.
Human Rights Watch (www.hrw.org)
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Queen Antifa πΉ:debian_logo:β:linux: last edited by [email protected]
@burnoutqueen sealioning?
Also, horrified doesn't mean war crimes. I am horrified since Oct. 7th, and I'm not aware that Hizballah has committed any war crimes since then.
I've not read that article yet, as I'm going to ask you first - does it say anything about civilians being hurt? With sources they're civilians (as in does the guardian guess, or does it know)? Does anyone have proof this operation had an unacceptable amount of civilian death? (say, enough that a police, even a good police, committing the same operation - the way a police does it, not by exploding people's beepers - would have less innocent causalties)
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Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)replied to Laxystem (Masto/Glitch) last edited by [email protected]
@burnoutqueen look I'm not saying Israel *hasn't* committed a war crime here; I'm saying there's no evidence it has - rather, that I don't understand where people find their supposed evidence for this, and that considering the purpose of the operation, it most likely hasn't.