So this is the second time now I've seen someone make the (good!) observation that SSGs are a non-option to nontechies but here's the thing: It *should* be pretty easy to make a web editor that shows a directory listing, lets you drag in PNGs and edit ...
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@mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit I fucking loved dreamweaver. I can code basic HTML by hand still but it made the discovery of that so incredibly powerful. And the template system meant you didn't need a CMS and everything was instant. We fucked up bad.
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Jason Lefkowitzreplied to SwiftOnSecurity last edited by
@SwiftOnSecurity @mcc @xgranade Adobe will technically still sell you a product called Dreamweaver, though I have no idea how much connection it has in 2024 to the software we all loved back when Ally McBeal was tearing up the Nielsen ratings
Website design software | Adobe Dreamweaver
Quickly create and publish web pages almost anywhere with Adobe Dreamweaver responsive web design software that supports HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and more.
(www.adobe.com)
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@jalefkowit @SwiftOnSecurity @xgranade remember that time she had the Dancing Baby as a guest star
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@mcc @SwiftOnSecurity @xgranade ICONIC
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Jason Lefkowitzreplied to Jason Lefkowitz last edited by [email protected]
@SwiftOnSecurity @mcc @xgranade Presumably this means that there are agencies out there still using Dreamweaver, and o how I would completely unironically love to see a series of interviews with those people
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SysAdmin1138replied to Jason Lefkowitz last edited by
@jalefkowit @xgranade @mcc My blog STILL runs MT (locked down so the dynamic bits are only reachable from certain IPs, because that code is elderly.) And yeah, it's a great static site generator; I'm a fan.
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Jason Lefkowitzreplied to SysAdmin1138 last edited by
@sysadmin1138 @xgranade @mcc They're still out there releasing new versions of Movable Type! Though they eventually gave up on their brief flirtation with open source and leaned hard into the enterprise software market, so it's priced beyond what most people could justify.
Movable Type - Content Management System, Blog Software & Publishing Platform
Build your website with a powerful content management system from Movable Type. Our blogging software & static publishing platform makes site management easy & effective.
(movabletype.com)
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@jalefkowit @mcc @xgranade fun fact, it was my 7th language, having learned HyperTalk, Scheme, C++, C, Perl, and Java first.
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@mcc @jalefkowit I actually kinda like Kirby’s approach to this: WP-like control panel that updates an otherwise static site : https://getkirby.com/
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@erincandescent @mcc @jalefkowit I’m a bit ambivalent towards that - their licensing is p fair for what you get (and I like that they actually managed to stay small and sustainable), but I have no interest in maintaining a CMS
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@endocrimes @mcc @jalefkowit oh yeah the pricing is perfectly reasonable I just always get a bit spooked by that sorta thing. Also I'm a cheapskate nerd y'know.
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@mcc @jalefkowit I thought about doing this, but if you're catering for a non-programmer audience then there are more usability roadblocks to solve. You can't start your editing app from a terminal, nor distribute it on package registries that require the terminal to install packages. It's a big step to climb all at once.
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Jason Lefkowitzreplied to Florens Verschelde last edited by
@fvsch @mcc I don't disagree. The median WordPress user has never opened a terminal or heard of a package registry. If you need those things to distribute your software, it is never going to be for them.
That's not necessarily a bad thing; it's a big world and there's plenty of room for software of all kinds. I'm just saying, if you are aiming your software at a technically sophisticated audience, understand that's your audience and don't push it on people who aren't in a position to appreciate it.
