She waited until after he was murdered, couldn't even mention his name, and her party no longer support the abolition of the death penalty.What a hero.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: last edited by [email protected]
@fkamiah17 @ordabchao
Like, you want to talk about a party split here, just look at this chart on the Wikipedia article. You've got four under George bush, then a dozen under Trump, and looking at it you would think Obama and Biden didn't exist, because neither of them were interested in executing anyone. TBH, even George w Bush was squeamish about it.Trump made it a policy on day one to bring it back, because it had effectively been ended, which is why you see him executing 12 people in his last year in office: that was how long it took him to undo what Obama had done.
This is something that the parties have become more divided on in the Trump era, and it's definitely "Republicans want more, Democrats want to end it." So I see the frustration, but the idea that they haven't done anything is incorrect.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Bimbo last edited by
@BigTittyBimbo @fkamiah17
See my response on this.Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] Just a note, the Democratic party platform has included abolishing the death penalty for over a decade. They have not had the required majority in Congress in that time period, so it's been up to individual presidents and governors to commute executions one at a time when they come up, which has been consistent: there were no federal executions under Obama or Biden. Meanwhile, the Republican platform has explicitly stated they want to remove Federal limits on the death penalty, including the Supreme Court decision that they can't execute people for crimes they committed as minors. (This came up in Georgia, where that 14 year old was convinced to shoot up his school because transgender people were getting rights) George W Bush did not execute anyone in his second term, but when Trump was in office, he openly made it a priority to execute as many people as possible. Yes, I would like to see more, but the party split has been real and consistent.
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TLDR, both Obama and Biden refused to execute anyone. In fact, there was a thought that the federal death penalty had been effectively abolished by George Bush in his second term, until Trump got into office, because there weren't any executions between 2003 and 2020, which was the year Trump, who had been rushing to bring back the death penalty his entire administration, managed to execute 12 people.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to MiniMia 🏴 🇵🇸 last edited by
@fkamiah17 @BigTittyBimbo This is true, but somewhat misleading. Whether or not they have something in their campaign platform doesn't mean it is the universal policy, just that they don't want to make it central to what they're running on.
Keep in mind, Trump pushed the Overton window on violence in the government, and renormalizing executions was part of that. He has always been a strong proponent of the death penalty, especially for black people.
We can be critical and ask all these questions, but the Democrats aren't suddenly pro death penalty simply because they haven't put "abolish the death penalty" in the several page document with all the environmental, social, economic, and democracy-expanding policies.
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MiniMia 🏴 🇵🇸replied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: last edited by
@Raccoon @BigTittyBimbo Show me the bit where I said they were pro the death penalty and spare me the rest of your whataboutery.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to MiniMia 🏴 🇵🇸 last edited by
@fkamiah17 @BigTittyBimbo
So let's ask the very critical question here: do you think that Kamala Harris will execute people if she's elected to office? Because that would be a reversal from every previous Democrat president who is still alive, including Biden, and would probably piss off most of her own party, considering if you go look at individual Democrats they are all against the death penalty.I don't know why they removed it from the platform, but it's unlikely that it's because they are suddenly pro-death-penalty. It's more likely they just chose not to focus on that.
Meanwhile, this article is even talking about the Central Park 5 and how Trump spent millions of dollars on printing ads using them as an example of why he wanted to bring back the death penalty, when he wasn't even in government. Trump has always wanted to expand the death penalty, especially for black people, hence why he rushed to execute 12 people in his last year in office.
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MiniMia 🏴 🇵🇸replied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: last edited by
@Raccoon @BigTittyBimbo You're spending a whole lot of time trying to have an argument about something I didn't actually say.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to MiniMia 🏴 🇵🇸 last edited by
@fkamiah17 @BigTittyBimbo
You said they are no longer opposed to the death penalty. Is there some Middle ground here that you're trying to say they're on?Like, I'm reading this as, if they took control of the House and Senate, and Ocasio Cortez put forward a bill to abolish the death penalty, you seem to think less than 90% of Democrats would vote for that, or that party leadership would not try to pass that, or that Kamala Harris wouldn't endorse and sign it.
But maybe I'm misunderstanding.
What do you mean here?
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to MiniMia 🏴 🇵🇸 last edited by
@fkamiah17 @BigTittyBimbo
Because I don't understand what you're trying to say. What you're trying to say looks like you don't think Ocasio Cortez is actually against the death penalty, or that the Democrats are somehow not against it anymore.You seem to have a complaint about it and I'm not sure where it's coming from.
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MiniMia 🏴 🇵🇸replied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: last edited by
@Raccoon @BigTittyBimbo I said (or rather the article and headline I posted) that they'd removed it from their platform. No more, no less. I said it three separate times. I don't know why you're still talking tbh.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to MiniMia 🏴 🇵🇸 last edited by
@fkamiah17 @BigTittyBimbo
And I'm saying that doesn't mean they don't support abolition of the death penalty, which was your original statement. That's why I'm so confused.