once again I fucking hate dtolnay for blocking reflection in rust so that his macro work doesn't become obsolete
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@aud @jonny @hipsterelectron yes we dug very deep into it at the time, which is why we're able to bear witness. it was not easy parsing through everything, even as someone on the inside.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] it takes money and time, something a lot of people who have ethics and are interested in community are seemingly without for some strange reason.
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@aud not that we're aware of. one reason it makes such a solid sinecure is that the thing it is, is inherently really messy inside.
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@aud that isn't quite the right word, but we don't think there is an existing word for that strategy of using a piece of critical infrastructure as a way to assert personal power
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I appreciate you saying I have the right of it, basically; I followed along with it very closely because I follow ThePhD and when I heard about it, my hairs raised as it seemed like classic textbook discrimination (the kind 'easily' hand-waved away by people who want to ignore it) and kept following it... and watching in disappointment as people who seemed 'nice' did their best to continue letting it happen.
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@[email protected] I can feel my spite gland being activated, and now I'm tempted to see if I CAN re-write without serde. I really, really hate it.
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@aud we're working on our own parsing framework as we speak but it is not and will never be a drop-in replacement. we don't actually like the thing serde does, heh.
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@ireneista @aud @jonny wish i could solve other problems during that immensely long time span instead of the same ones again
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@[email protected] (I did look up the word and I was pretty sure I had the gist of it; and this confirms it. Also, thank you for teaching me a new word!)
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@ireneista @aud @jonny rust itself as the result of a separatist approach bears this out
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@[email protected] But this particular thing seems common in tech. Gargamel and mastodon spring to mind as well, for not-as-bad but definitely-not-good reasons.
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@hipsterelectron @aud @jonny it's the problem. it's the fundamental conflict that goes back to early human prehistory and has never, at any point, been properly solved: how do we get people to talk through their shit?
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@[email protected] I actually don't like it either, to be honest. I kind of really hate what it seems to be aiming for.
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@[email protected] Like I'm using serde_json because it is there, but in truth I really don't need all of fucking serde and I'm basically having to implement a shit ton of my own serialization/deserialization logic in order to make things work and having to work around the limits set in place by serde.
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@hipsterelectron @aud @jonny exactly. good point.
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@[email protected] From my naive point of view, serde seems to work well when your data structure and input/output match perfectly and it's basically just... that's all it does?
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@aud absolutely, it's a whole little niche, there are LOTS of examples of it. sometimes people create software projects because they want the attention that comes with being at the center of the community that will grow around them. this is a fundamentally ego-driven reason. we need to build out vocabulary around it to drag it into popular awareness and move towards solutions.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I wish we didn't live in a society that glorified racist war mongers. I also want a unicorn, I guess.
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@aud that is how we see it too fwiw, but we haven't used it deeply enough to know if its escape hatches are any good
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@aud @ireneista i use monopolistic but that's more referring to the processes/architecture by which the sinecure is assured than the act and the intent itself
