once again I fucking hate dtolnay for blocking reflection in rust so that his macro work doesn't become obsolete
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@aud @jonny there are several people i like working on rust who do speak out about this sort of thing (not dtolnay though or he'd be gone). but i'm waiting until dtolnay just becomes this absurd john de goes character from scala (jdg is doing rust now btw) and i have to leave the language i love again
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@[email protected] @[email protected] fucking jesus
I would also like to add that, in the aftermath of all this, I saw people talking about how rust was too important to let little things like toxic pieces of shit holding positions of power and actively excluding people 'hold it back'. -
@[email protected] @[email protected] I use it with great hesitation (only because it's the 'correct' tool for what I'm doing) for precisely this set of reasons. It's good to have memory safety; fantastic even. But these people are horrible.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] and on days like today (two days into a migraine, still unemployed, probably leaving tech forever due to A. bigotry, and B. war profiteers) I just don't have the patience to put up with the fucking hagiography these fuckers are given at every goddamn opportunity. Their misdeeds hidden, rewritten, or deleted.
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@aud @jonny on a related note the way they couch their clear contempt for free software and embrace of microsoft with reference to attacking anyone who cares about it as a stallman defender is incredibly upsetting. it's not fighting back against stallman when you refuse to make it easier for distro packagers to package rust codebases and along with the way dtolnay continues to be allowed in the community it doesn't make me feel like the rejection of free software is because they care about doing better
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@[email protected] @[email protected] I mean, the foundation has Microsoft employees on the board. What can be expected, I guess.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] ... god I fucking hate this toxic shit.
Sometimes I want to go to grad school for computer science so that when I say stuff like this, people listen. Then I look at what happened with Timnit Gebru: she's a PhD, well experienced and an expert in precisely the things she talks about. And what do these type of people do? They don't ignore her as often as they would under other circumstances, yes, but it's mostly just to throw fucking abuse her way. -
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I thought C++ committee discourse was insufferable but jesus fucking christ.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I mean, they're the ones who keep a known rapist on the board, aren't they?
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @jonny @aud as far as i can tell they are better than the c++ committee but doing better is an incredibly low bar
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@[email protected] @[email protected] I once saw some dipshit on Reddit say they were tired of Gebru, et al, and their criticism of OpenAI and I'm like
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] come learn computers! every important board consists of only
pedophiles
racists
sex offenders
misogynists
war profiteers
nazis, literal actual nazis
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] At least with C++ it's more public how everyone else can get shafted. There's no discourse instance or place where you can pretend to influence the committee. NixOS and Rust on the otherhand... now those are just extra insufferable because you watch how valid criticism is disregarded, censored and hidden away
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@aud everything about his actions there was incredibly obnoxious. I've refused to use serde ever since on principle.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] fucking jon ringer and his fucking apologists willing to bend over backwards and screw the entire nix community so that the little war profiteer blood money birthday boy doesn't get his fees fees hurt that people might include non-cishetwhitemen.
