question mainly to proponents of quote posts, but anyone can respond:
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Darius Kazemireplied to the car lane disrespecter last edited by
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Space Catitude đreplied to infinite love â´ł last edited by
ISTM that the critical distinction is expectation of responses.
If I *reply* to a post, I am directing my speech at the original poster. Others may see, but it is understood that I am speaking TO the poster.
If I *quote post*, I am directing my speech to *my followers* generally, and adding some information or context to it. The message might be seen by the original poster, but I am not speaking to them, and they should feel no reason to reply.
A rather subtle matter of intent.
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@darius @djsundog this does require an understanding of `context` as âput this thing in a different groupingâ, yes.
ie if someone declared inReplyTo + a different context, and Mastodon saw it and ignored context, it would look like a âregular replyâ. but that doesnât change the fact that it is what it is.
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@trwnh @tech_himbo I feel like it could easily be an `attachment`, especially since that can hold many objects (useful for e.g. an `Article` that quotes many different objects).
Overall, I think it's just embedding a full object inside another. But I assume a new property saying "this is a quote" for the UI would be necessary.
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infinite love â´łreplied to DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab last edited by
@djsundog @darius right, i share the feeling that it is presentational and functional, not semantic. in other words, saying âA isQuoteOf Bâ doesnât have a meaningful definition for âisQuoteOfâ as a singular thing.
At the protocol level as a descriptive framework we have {context audience to cc attachment tag inReplyTo} and i am skeptical we need âquoteOfâ. but iâm trying to cast around for other takes before committing to that.
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>Whatâs the difference between a âquoteâ and a âlink previewâ?
I think there is no difference. Quote is simply an enhanced preview.
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@trwnh I'm not sure I understand your questions, but I'll try to answer.
I think the quoting post is dependent upon the quoted post, but it may be a weak dependency -- that is, the quoting post may still be meaningful if the quoted post is inaccessible.
I'm guessing in your second question you're asking about features of the ActivityPub protocol, and I don't know how to answer that.
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the car lane disrespecterreplied to Darius Kazemi last edited by
@darius @trwnh i mean call me when it's implemented somewhere very far away from me and we can dissect that once we have some samples back from the wild i guess but basically i don't trust people who want to spend time and resources on making "look at this piece of shit" easier to do. the milk smells bad ok i don't need to smell it. it's bad
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infinite love â´łreplied to the car lane disrespecter last edited by
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infinite love â´łreplied to Space Catitude đ last edited by
@TerryHancock this feels like a function of context and audience, then. what about the link itself?
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@matt @tech_himbo is it really necessary though?
i think if weâre going to define such a property then it needs to have a clear definition, and so far from all the responses iâm not getting an answer that isnât anchored in something else like audience or context.
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@trwnh Context is a powerful word. Someone making a dad joke and someone calling in trolls are both changing the context.
I can't think of a more powerful word, so...
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@darius @djsundog so⌠a singular âquoteOfâ is likely to be misinterpreted? not sure i get what youâre saying.
if weâre skipping to the end, i am personally of the opinion that maybe there should be a Quote activity. but i am also wondering if that implies that there could also be a Reply activity. at least from a side effects processing perspective it could make sense â âyo, add this to the collectionâ in the same way we have Like and Announce as separate activities.
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@foolishowl okay, that helps a bit. mostly i am trying to figure out how to describe (from a knowledge standpoint) what that âdependencyâ is.
like if i said âA isQuoteOf Bâ, how would one define âisQuoteOfâ? does a meaningful definition actually exist or not? it is seeming like ânotâ. a âquote postâ is more a function of context, audience, notification, link preview⌠but itâs not clear where to actually put the link itself.
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@trwnh Iâm not a web developer or anything so I canât exactly speak to the HTML equivalent, but yes, it does look like this indented format in my mind. But it doubles as a âcitationâ because someone reading my post can tap in to the original post to get the full context (analogous to how one might go hunt down the primary source when reading material that quote/cite from it).
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@trwnh @tech_himbo hah maybe not!
I'm sure there's a clever way to combine existing properties and indicate "this is a quote post". But I can also imagine this making things more convoluted for implementers than just using a new attribute. I also think there will be large UI / display differences across different content types, e.g. short Note vs long Article. So a new attribute might be too limited to cover all cases (like multiple embedded quotes).
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@agnes okay, thank you! it sounds like âquote postsâ are primarily about citing some other post in full. would you agree?
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@trwnh @tech_himbo so I guess the answer is I don't know
lol.And maybe one solution is just covering the use case(s) we have today, and then evolve it as more people implement / we run into limitations.
