So, these takes that Mullenweg is threatening the foss movement itself....

Lawrence Pritchard Waterhouse

@jenniferplusplus "on github"?? rotflbtc

Boo Ramsey 🧛🏻‍♂️🧟‍♂️👻🎃

@jenniferplusplus @jordan Speaking of, I think the organizations that exist who could/should provide these resources (e.g., OSI, Software Freedom Conservancy, FSF, etc.) largely see themselves only as arbiters (or, rather, stewards) of licensing.

The Linux Foundation appears to go beyond licensing support to provide training and continuity for its member projects.

Jenniferplusplus

@mcc Sure, I've also avoided oracle whenever I had any say in the matter. But Oracle's bad behavior wasn't painted as an existential threat to proprietary software.

To your point about the supposed benefits of open source. I hope people weren't presenting it as giving freedom from the effects of bad governance. Because it absolutely doesn't, and never could. We're living through those effects right now, after all.

What it does do, is empower us to know about and fix bad governance.

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Jenniferplusplus

@mcc
But, that's not a power the movement has had any practice or support in exercising. That's the ultimate problem. There wasn't a common understanding that WP was vulnerable to Mullenweg's whims. Or that this was a risky situation for the project. And there certainly wasn't a common understanding of what to do about it, even if some critical mass of people had realized.
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Jenniferplusplus

Apparently I need to clarify this github remark? For some reason?
https://hachyderm.io/@jenniferplusplus/113302317130502287

I'm not proposing that github should play a role in deciding what good governance looks like. I'm proposing that FOSS institutions and advocates would do that. And I'm proposing that they would teach people to recognize it and care about it, to the point that github would feel pressured to surface that information in a structured way.

If you read that in a different way... I dunno. But stop it.

Jenniferplusplus

@lpwaterhouse
https://hachyderm.io/@jenniferplusplus/113307107949579137

I have no idea what you're trying to say with this keysmash. If you want to try again, you have one chance to engage with my actual point before I block you.

scmbradley

@jenniferplusplus could governance be enshrined in the license? Like, you agree that your forks also abide by such and such agreed upon structure for governing the project. Maybe it's worth keeping those things separate? I don't know. Ugh. It's so hard

Jenniferplusplus

@Scmbradley honestly, no. We've gone as far as licenses can take us. We need to stop giving them this level of attention.

Jenniferplusplus

@ramsey @jordan the Linux foundation does seem to be the only one that's stepping up at all, yes. It's slower and later than I'd like, but they still deserve a lot of credit for it.

hamish campbell

@jenniferplusplus we talked about this a lot here https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/search?q=OGB then the implementation never happened and is now #blocked by passive negativity.

This is a bad history to this, which we need to look at as we develop new paths so as not to repeat #techchun

#OGB

Jenniferplusplus

@hamishcampbell that link doesn't go anywhere