HOLY SHIT#BCPoli #CanPoli #BCElxn2024 #BCLiberals #BCUnited
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to AccordionBruce last edited by
@AccordionBruce agreed!
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Douglas In Victoriareplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
Choice is an illusion. The difference between the two 'viable' parties is negligible.
Democracy for white wealthy landowners... Kicks in the teeth for the rest of us.
No matter who wins, we lose.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Douglas In Victoria last edited by
@douglaspynn I disagree. There are certainly large differences in how the NDP and a John Rustad Conservative government would run things, and there would be further difference with a Green party government What you are effectively advocating for is to not participate, and that is *always* a recipe for fascism.
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Douglas In Victoriareplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
Fascism is happening whether I want it to or not. Right now. This very second.
And is firmly in control.The Greens aren't viable. We will all die from covid before they do anything worthwhile.
The bcndp thoroughly decimated our forests, drown us in Site C, eugenics, no affordable housing, collapsing healthcare, and you think I care about the Cons?
Dude, we have already lost.Vote, pat yourself on the back, but know it means nothing.
*Edit: I spoil my ballot, or vote for some joke party*
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Douglas In Victoria last edited by [email protected]
@douglaspynn You're wrong. Period, end of story. But if you'd rather a dictatorship, then fine. But I'll continue participating in the democracy because that's the best way to do this. I know my MLA, I know my MP, I know they work their butts off. I've also been elected myself, I know how hard it is to get the policies you personally believe in to happen, but it can and DOES happen. The only way to ensure it does not, is by never participating.
Re-engage my friend. It matters and we need you!
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Geoff Bernerreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris @douglaspynn that's a bunch of nonsense. Spoiling your ballot is a valid way to participate in democracy. In this situation, the entire political class is eugenicist and pro colonial. It's also building democracy to just ignore all those bastards and build something else through mutual aid and other methods.
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Douglas In Victoriareplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
I'm not wrong. I'm dead-on accurate, and I find it tiresome.
I'm tired of being right and have people keep arguing even tho reality has proven them wrong time after time.Being a cog in the machine will not change the machine.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Geoff Berner last edited by
@Geoffberner @douglaspynn
Sure, Spoiling your ballot is a valid form of protest in a democracy, nothing wrong with that, but what I am more concerned about is the “it means nothing" attitude.That's simply not true. We *do* live in a Democracy. The very fact that the BC United just folded into the Conservatives because they knew they would not get the votes this election PROVES that voting matters and that there are fundamental differences in how these parties will run the government.
The "means nothing" atittude is fatalist, defeatist.
Ya, it's hard to make change, but saying its impossible or that it's all rigged is just what assholes like Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Vladimir Putin want us to think.
It's wrong. And I won't apologize for calling it out.
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Douglas In Victoriareplied to Geoff Berner last edited by
I actually enjoy thinking of ways to spoil my ballot.
Big speech?
Quotes?
Doodles?
Wipe my butt with it?
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Douglas In Victoria last edited by
@douglaspynn So then burn down the machine! That's just as valid a course of action... doing nothing is not.
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Douglas In Victoriareplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
Sometimes doing nothing is exactly what needs to occur.
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Geoff Bernerreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris @douglaspynn we live in an Oligarchy that imitates a democracy. Votes don't express the will of the people here, because mostly property owners vote. And that is not because renters are dumb. On the democracy spectrum, we're somewhat closer than America to democracy, but miles away from what is permitted to the Scandinavian countries. Anyway, I'd rather die than vote for Dix, and the Greens defenestrated their candidate because they're useless. I'll put my energy into other political activities. And no, that does not make the next government my fault.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Geoff Berner last edited by
@Geoffberner @douglaspynn I certainly won't argue against the vast inequities in the system. My argument is simply against the notion that participating (be it voting or spoiling or whatever) in a democracy, which can and must be done in more ways than just in a voting booth, is irrelevant to the outcomes that we see. It isn't. And we are seeing exactly the impacts of citizens wants and fears on our democracy today in BC, as we have many times before with big swings in party politics in this province.
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Geoff Bernerreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris @douglaspynn here's the thing, Chris. Look at BC elections. Here is how they work: NDP gets a % of the popular vote that's between 39% and 42%. Every time. When there is one right wing party, they lose with 42. When there are 2 right wing parties, they win with 39. That's it. That's how government works here. Your vote won't do a damn thing to alter that. It's been true for over 50 years.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Douglas In Victoria last edited by
@douglaspynn sure! It can be an action in and of itself. We don't disagree there. Where we seem to separate is over this notion that all parties produce the same government. There is just so much wrong with that statement. It's different than saying you don't like the outcome of either one or that there should be a better alternative.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Geoff Berner last edited by
@Geoffberner @douglaspynn
Last election the NDP received 47.69% of the vote to the BC Liberal's 33%.In 2001 the NDP got 21%.
In 1983 they got 45%
.... I get what you're saying. But you're not really describing something unique to BC. This is how an effectively two-party, FPTP system democracy will function and has for a decades.
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Douglas In Victoriareplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
Yes, reality has proven that the main parties produce the exact same government. It doesn't matter. They are the same, owned by the same companies.
Climate collapse, housing crisis, covid, etc, are all undeniable proof.My mind won't be changed. I won't ignore reality.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Douglas In Victoria last edited by
@douglaspynn fair enough, I won't try to change your mind, but don't be surprised (or take it personally, I hope) if I push back sometimes
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Nick Pilonreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris I know over in AB Nenshi has been trial ballooning “bizarre” as a Canadian adaptation of the “GOP is weird” culture war counterattack, and it feels like an effective adjustment. Maybe ground level spreading “Rustad is bizarre” is a start at herding “normal” BC liberal/united voters away from the cons?
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Lauralee Dukeshirereplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris Uprooted my whole life to escape the IDU authoritarian destruction in AB....Well, at least the weather is still better, here.