@anubis2814 @damon I get the impression that you're technical.
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@anubis2814 @damon I get the impression that you're technical. You know how it's not really possible to stop an activity pub node for being on the net. Every site is responsible for what messages they let in.
I believe you can set up white lists, if not it should be easy enough to do. That's the only other model that I can think of given that these are just servers on the internet.
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@denebeim @anubis2814 It’s not about what’s simply technically possible. Your comment disregards and disrespects peoples experiences. People have the ability to not use social media, to use keyword filters, blocks, mutes, domain blocks and other platforms outside of Mastodon. Does that negate their negative experiences? Also, while allow lists have their benefits there’s no mechanisms that allow people to know when new servers come online that they’d probably like to connect with. Also, you bring up allow list what would be the benefit of that to people that are used to Big Social and having their content & work be able to spread far?
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@damon @anubis2814 well no it doesn't. There's nothing you can do with in software automatically. Somebody's going to have to do the manual work. The best we can do is to provide tools to make that manual work easier for people.
If you're from Usenet think about the alt groups. Those were a lot like Mastodon in that anybody could hook a server up and post into the alt groups. There was no control. There was no voting or anything.
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Mastodon provides people a lot less tools to protect themselves than Friendica. Mastodon moderators also complain about the limits and weaknesses of the moderation tools.
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@jdp23 @anubis2814 @damon well deepthot is down so I haven't played with the admin side in awhile, and can't speak to it.
Fwiw I wrote what some thought was the best moderation system on Usenet back in the day.
I can't imagine moderating a feed on Mastodon, it's too big. On Usenet moderation was per topic, so was manageable.
That's why I keep harping on running small servers with people with common interests.
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1000% on small-to-medium servers! There was some great discussion of this in Erin Kissane and Darius Kazemi's recent https://fediverse-governance.github.io/
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@jdp23 @anubis2814 @damon now that gave me a thought, you could moderate hashtags, the only thing you'd need to change was giving admin on certain hashtags in mastodon.
Would that work #activitypub folks?
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We're starting to see moderated groups, which are somewhat along those lines. With hashtags, you could moderate them on your own instance, but the moderation decisions wouldn't affect people on other instances.
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In America, this is a societal wrong repeated in daily life and the frame of how we treat each other must change, starting with people in a position of privilege.
It’s the same with social spaces. Moderators must treat blameless supremacy’s sabotage of public spaces as unacceptable and ban those who want to concrete over our public pools rather than share them.
If you want to know more about solutions and where it has to start, read Many Fine People.
@damon it may be an interesting read for you but the book is for the people who must initiate the change, not you. People like me. And now is a great place to start.
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@schmubba Thank you. I’m always open to a good recommendation. Even if it’s not exactly for me it’s good to read and it could help me in forming alliances and helping to educate others.
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Maybe it is for you.
I just read this on page 350:
Here's what I mean by witness: the simple act of observing what is happening, and speaking to it with the authority of that observation without the need to appeal to further authority. In short: You have the authority of your own experience; to observe what you have observed, and to say that you have oberserved it, and to know that you know it. Witness is simple. It's not an argument, It's not a rationale. It's not a justification. It an observation. It speaks the truth without asking permission, and it rests on your ability to simply perceive what is perceptible to you, from the unique perspective you find yourself in.
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@schmubba Wow, that is empowering and powerful. That for sure makes me want to read it. I’ve been someone my morning researching and gathering up content regarding Black Twitter. As well as content regarding people’s negative experiences on Mastodon. I’m hoping to share it once I’ve read through it all.