w.r.t the Social Web Foundation, I'm glad we have some formal organization to help steward the protocol
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@andreagrandi Do you think it's fair to compare a platform with billions of users to the fediverse with less than 20 million?
I'm sure any fediverse platform would run into several issues at that level of scale, but guess what, Instagram isn't federated, Threads is.
But back to the topic, I have yet to see Meta/Threads handle a fediverse moderation issue improperly, if you have, please send it my way.
No point in discussing non-fedi entities, like DNS, should .com be cancelled due to its biz?
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@dansup well said
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@dansup I'm not comparing "apples" with "trees", I'm just saying that I do not trust nor like how Meta handle moderation.
I'm not even talking about proactive moderation (catching certain content before I see it) but the fact that even when you point them to something specific, they state that episodes of food challenges or clear doxing and offences do not violate their policy.
I've seen fediverse instances with almost zero resources to handle this content correctly.
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@dansup if Meta is "too big" to handle moderation, maybe they should rethink the whole thing.
About your last point, I genuinely do not understand it (I may be missing some context or knowledge). Happy to answer if you can elaborate it a bit more. Thanks
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@dansup @andreagrandi I think it's fair, yes. People keep saying stuff like this as if these platforms are just uwu smol bean fedi admins who were trying to run chill little communities when suddenly billions of users signed up overnight and now they're doing their best to moderate it all but really struggling to find the time what with work and childcare. They're not, they're groups of grown adults who sat around a conference table one day and deliberately chose to allow libsoftiktok to stay on their platforms because they'd make very slightly more money that way and that's more important to them than keeping vulnerable people safe. If your goals for fedi are anything more noble than "make network big" then surely Meta are almost by definition your enemy?
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@andrewt @andreagrandi That's a great point, and when it comes down to it, the progress I can make is to write better safety and moderation tools into Pixelfed and gather feedback from the community on how to improve them.
I can't do anything about accounts on Threads or other platforms, but what I can do is give our users better safety guards and tools to improve their experience
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@dansup @andrewt and I think you (Dan) are doing a lot on this subject. If people at Meta had even 1/10 of your concerns and care, even their platform would be much better.
To be clear, I'm not against federation with them, but I strongly think they have a lot to learn from the fediverse about moderation, not the other way around.
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@dansup Meta. The benovelant multinational . That's a new one.
... mmm. not . wait a minute..
That has an old vibe. Microsoft vs Linux kind of. And after years of 'fights' finally the consensus has fermented in the inclusive sponsor-hunters friendly internet :
'U may hate MS but look and admire their presense and tech merits. And as for the other side .. ha RMS the pedofile!!!'FTC Staff Report Finds Large Social Media and Video Streaming Companies Have Engaged in Vast Surveillance of Users with Lax Privacy Controls and Inadequate Safeguards for Kids and Teens
A new Federal Trade Commission staff report that examines the data collection and use practices of major social media and video streaming services shows they engaged in vast surveillance of consume
Federal Trade Commission (www.ftc.gov)
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> I'm glad we have some formal organization to help steward the protocol
isn't this in theory the w3c and socialcg? swf doesn't steward the protocol.
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