Is there any point at all, legal or otherwise to signing for a package?
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Brett Sheffield (he/him)replied to Brett Sheffield (he/him) last edited by
That there is also no indication of *what* I'm signing on these illegible devices, often presented in bright sunlight, doesn't help.
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to Brett Sheffield (he/him) last edited by
@dentangle Seems more like a legal ritual to me, like something that takes effort just to create a barrier between legitimate actions and thievery. If someone "fakes" it you can point at it to prove it was a conscious action.
Of course there would be better options if it really was about proving the recipients' identity. As far as I know every new EU citizen ID got an RFID feature for exactly these purposes, for example.
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Saxnotreplied to Brett Sheffield (he/him) last edited by
@dentangle you're signing you received thr package and the package and it's contents are intact and have been properly handled. Their duty and their liability is officially completed once you confirm everything is okay.
Did you fully inspect the package and its contents? Realistically no.
Your signature is valid even if it's an "x" or otherwise unreadable. It's the intent and it's legally binding.
At least that's what it's like in germany
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Saxnotreplied to Brett Sheffield (he/him) last edited by
@dentangle you're signing you received the package and the package and it's contents are intact and have been properly handled. Their duty and their liability is officially completed once you confirm everything is okay.
Did you fully inspect the package and its contents? Realistically no.
Your signature is valid even if it's an "x" or otherwise unreadable. It's the intent and it's legally binding.
At least that's what it's like in germany
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MJ Rayreplied to Brett Sheffield (he/him) last edited by
@dentangle they would ask you, under oath in court, if you made that mark, and trust that the fear of hell and prison for perjury will make you tell the truth. A method with centuries of tradition behind it.
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Brett Sheffield (he/him)replied to Saxnot last edited by
@saxnot Most couriers won't wait while you inspect a package, other than a cursory look at the outside for obvious damage. None I know will allow the package to be opened before signing.
The way these devices are, I could be signing for someone else's package, or something else entirely. The signature page doesn't even display my name.
I've lost count of the number of times a courier company has claimed something has been delivered when it has not.
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Brett Sheffield (he/him)replied to MJ Ray last edited by [email protected]
@mjr Aye - that would be the only way to tell. Ask me if I signed it in front of a judge. Before that point it really proves nothing. Couriers are under such pressure to deliver they can't check.
Often a package gets left in our barn or on the front step with no signature, when I know the same courier would normally ask for one. Did the courier sign for me?
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Saxnotreplied to Brett Sheffield (he/him) last edited by
@dentangle all participants know that
and it makes sense what you saybut the legal reality doesn't concern itself with these things. They're no longer liable once you signed it off
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2Β’replied to Brett Sheffield (he/him) last edited by
@dentangle it's the photo of your face scribbling on the device.
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Brett Sheffield (he/him)replied to 2Β’ last edited by
@Qbitzerre Just a photo? I'd assumed they were taking DNA samples.