What is your favorite browser?

iqaluit

@jon LibreWolf for privacy &
Vivaldi for functionality

ingolftopf :vivaldi_gray:

@jon
Many, many comments here. :tony_laughing:

So a lot of interest in this question.
No wonder really, here on 'Mastodon'.

Veery good. :tony_wee:

Maybe someone else is interested in digging through here.

I'm sure several people will take a closer look at the 'Vivaldiserve' afterwards.
https://vivaldi.com

:tony_smiling: :tony_happy:

Rob

@zbrando @jon

I agree with this comment. I tried to use the mail client and the UI is very confusing.

The calendar, on the other hand, is a really great feature.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@rob @zbrando

The mail client has a learning curve, one we are always trying to reduce. On the other hand, it can save you a lot of time, once you get used to it.

A few things to note:
1. You should not have to move mails to folders. Finding mails is generally fast without the need of folders.
2. For each folder, you can decide what to show in that folder when it comes to stuff like read mails, mailing lists, trash, etc. Once you have set that up to your liking, you will save a lot of time and it is a lot less work than to move mails between folders all the time.
3. Important shortcuts : G to mark a mail as read and go to the next one. E to view mail to and from a contact, T to view a thread.
4. Vivaldi differentiates between unseen and unread mails. Unseen are new mails while unread mails are mails you have not marked as read yet.

I know these are new concepts, but there is a reason a lot of us cannot do without this.

MTtravelerr

@jon
Just wish Google was not used in vivaldi , so when I don't want their influence I use ddg . if there is a way to keep Google completely out of Vivaldi. I'd like to know how.
Thanks MTT

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@tedel

Thanks for your kind words. Did you try Workspaces in Vivaldi as well? Quick commands? The searchable Window panel?

RolingMetal

@jon After dropping Opera, I now mostly use Waterfox. Vivaldi is also on my desktop and laptop. But so is Brave, Firefox and DuckDuckGO. Edge is also on there, but only because MS won't allow me to remove it

Iria Puyosa

@jon Good relationship maerketing.
I used Firefox for many years, and I loved it. Before, I was a Netscape user. But Firefox's performance deteriorated over the years, and I switched to Chrome. When I discovered Brave, I moved to it, but it also had some issues, so I´m back to Chrome. Performance and productivity features are great. I am just very aware of data protection issues when using Google products. Still, use Firefox and Brave for some activities. Would Vivaldi be a good alternative?

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@IPuyosa

Give it a try. There is a lot of productivity features to play with.

array :vivaldi_gray:

@jon 日本語で書きます。翻訳サイトなど使ってください。
Firefoxは唯一日本語IMEの動作を正しく行ってくれます。なので文節などの変換が見やすく、安心できます。拡張が多くても不安定になりにくいです。Quantumは正しい判断だったと思います。

Chromium系（Elctronも）IMEの処理がおざなりで点線出しとけはいいだろうとしかとれない動作画面です。たまに文節区切りを見失いますし変なところになることがあります。

あとは垂直タブがあるかどうかで、その垂直タブもタブ同士の親子関係が表せられないと意味がないです。
ということでFirefox+Tree Style Tabが使いやすく、その次にVivaldiが来ます。

davidgreen80

@jon After testing all the browsers my favourite is Vivaldi due to their focus on privacy and no crypto crap. I also like to browse their forums which has been helpful to me at times.

Danois

@jon It is my default browsing. Completely customizable, I adjust it to my way and it has many options and pluses such as blog, note taking, RSS reader, translator and much more.

Dave Mac Farlane

@[email protected] Of all time? Galeon

Today? I don't like any of them.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@driusan

Interesting. I had to look up Galeon.

Did you try Vivaldi?

Dave Mac Farlane

@[email protected] Yes, I didn't dislike it but I stopped using it because it was Chrome based. Even if you have the best of intentions wrt neutering all the evil shit Google sneaks in, there's no guarantees you don't miss something.

(Since then Firefox's leadership has gotten bad enough that I don't know if that's really a differentiating factor anymore, which is why I say now I don't like any of them.)

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@driusan

We try our best. We have a dedicated team of developers that have been building browsers for years. Many were with me at Opera.

I am not sure what you are looking for in a browser, but quite likely we have it, at least when it comes to functionality and flexibility.

Anyways, I hope you find a browser you like soon!

Dave Mac Farlane

@[email protected] With the vendor capture at the W3C having made standards complex enough that it's now impossible for independent developers to realistically ever implement a new engine it's unlikely I'll ever love a browser again. Maybe servo one day.

I do think you try your best and appreciate your attempts at trying to create a new browser and Vivaldi's involvement in the fediverse, so in the interest of your market research what I most look for in a browser are:

1. Speed
2. Simplicity
3. Ad blocking
4. A lack of surveillance capitalism monitoring
5. A lack of any involvement with A.I. or crypto

I don't think Vivaldi is guilty of 4 or 5, but it's built on an engine by a company where that is its DNA. It's increasingly a problem with Firefox as well, but all things being equal I still prefer to vainly use a different engine to at least hold off the monoculture a little longer.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@driusan

As you may know, we built a browser from scratch at Opera. Gradually we built a team of 100 working on it. We wrote all of the code our selves and we did not use libraries much.

Following the standards was not the most difficult. Dealing with browsers that did not was. It all started with Mosaic, that ignored standards and then Microsoft tried to take them over. We all fought back through the W3C and things did get better, but then there would be sites that would deny access to our browser, not least Google, Microsoft and Apple.

We built a project called Open The Web, where we tried to get sites to code to the standards and not block us. We also tried to get Mozilla in on it, but they said no.

Anyways, building a browser from scratch is not an option for us and we had to choose an engine and we felt that Chromium was the safest option.

When it comes to your points. You are right on 4 and 5 and on 3 we do provide an ad blocker that we continue to improve. When it comes to speed, there is not much difference between browsers today, when it comes to displaying pages as they mostly use the same core, but when it comes to speed of use, I would think we do well. In particular if you use keyboard shortcuts, mouse gestures and the like.

Dave Mac Farlane

@[email protected] You're persuasive enough that I'm willing to give it another shot since Firefox's management has went all in on A.I. Like I said, I had nothing against your browser other than its choice of engine when I switched back to Firefox.

I understand that you have technical reasons for having chosen it, but I think you misjudged the impact of that choice from a cultural/social standpoint with respect to Vivaldi's most likely users.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@driusan

Glad you will give it a try. I hope you like it.

You are right. It is quite possible more users would move our way if we were based on Gecko. It just felt like a dangerous move and one we could not afford to get wrong.

I think we can play an important role in the Chromium community. Opera did play an important role at the W3C. We had more people contributing to the Web standards than anyone else. A strong Vivaldi can play an important role in Chromium, but we need to grow a bit first.