Does context have to be a collection?

Matthias Pfefferle

@trwnh @julian thanks a lot for the guidance!

I think even if an object is possible, I start with the collection because of interoperability reasons.

julian

@[email protected] you're right about that. While we haven't standardized on what the collection should resolve to, existing implementations today already resolve to a Collection-style type.

Take a look at this example to see how it is done in NodeBB:

Does context have to be a collection?

@julian I am reading through the context fep and I am wondering if nodeBB only supports the context to be a collection or could it also be a post that starts...

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(As of writing this context only has 9 items so all items are shown as is, although one could break it up into pages as needed)

Matthias Pfefferle

@julian I think I have a working draft available in the next few days, maybe you have some time this or next week, to check it with nodeBB!?!

will send you a link when I have it deployed to my site.

julian

@[email protected] I would be thrilled to.

I would be on a beach in Mexico (family vacation), but I will make it happen.

Matthias Pfefferle

@julian oh no! take your time!!! there is no hurry

enjoy your family vacation ️

silverpill

@pfefferle You may want to read the previous version of FEP-7888, which says that context should resolve to a collection:

fep/fep/7888/fep-7888.md at 6db51e4893e32c603a93a7570d3db4e412f0a8c2

fep - Fediverse Enhancement Proposals

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This is what various projects have implemented so far.

The FEP was changed several days ago and now it is a very different document. The recommendation to use collection is no longer present, so I don't see any reason to refer to this FEP anymore.

@julian

Scott M. Stolz

@infinite love ⴳ The projects and tasks would have its own API or protocol for syncing and sharing. I am not referring to that.

I am talking about when a AS2 Note or AS2 Article is associated with a Task or Project.

Server A might want to notify Server B of that association over ActivityPub, because AS2 Notes and AS2 Articles will be delivered over ActivityPub, not the Project API/protocol.

The user interface could then link to the related project or task.

infinite love ⴳ

@scott use `tag` for that

Matthias Pfefferle

thanks @silverpill

Scott M. Stolz

@infinite love ⴳ That is doable. But the naming convention is a bit wonky.

You use context for collections. You use tags for context. You use summary for content warnings.

You don't want to use the term threads to describe threads because you want it to be a collection, which you call a context. So there is no way to specify the top level post without creating a collection.

It would be nice if the names reflected what the field is actually used for.

infinite love ⴳ

@scott

- context isnt just collections, it's basically a supertag that lets you group things that belong together, the other half of scoping (next to audience)
- tags are literally "related to" taxonomical references so this shouldn't be mismatched at all
- threads aren't necessarily trees with a top or root, they may be a chronologically sorted ordered set
- names have multiple interpretations and connotations, this is ideally why we use URIs not basic string terms. as2-vocab has definitions.

silverpill

@scott @trwnh @julian I am also in favor of thread but other implementers have settled on context. Can easily support both if you want to use thread in your project

Scott M. Stolz

@infinite love ⴳ

- tags are literally "related to" taxonomical references so this shouldn't be mismatched at all

Exactly. It is not for #hastags like the name implies.

infinite love ⴳ

@scott AS2 didn't define a Hashtag type and also literally yes it's not for that, it's for the concept of a "tag". like if you tag an Image with a Person you are implying the Image contains the Person, and you can reverse query for all objects with a `tag` of that Person. they're basically categories. this is in the definition

Scott M. Stolz

What do we use for hashtags, since tags is used for "related to." LOL

This is so funny. LOL. One monomer after another. Haha

I needed a laugh.

But seriously, where to hashtags go? LOL

Scott M. Stolz

@infinite love ⴳ I understand how it is defined. I am just commenting, and laughing, at the fact that the terms ActivityPub uses does not match the common meaning of the words.

Unless I looked up "tag" in ActivityPub, I would have never assumed in a million years that it meant "related to" because everyone else uses the term "tag" to mean "hashtag."

Scott M. Stolz

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