Tbh I hate everything about this and it makes me want to run far, far away from AP and never look back:
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IFTAS supports their own blocklist and does some work with aggregating others blocklists (including multiple different ones). Nivenly has never supported TBS—there is now a defunct proposal _to_ support it, but it was never implemented and was not carried forward—and hachyderm to my knowledge doesn't support any blocklists (if so, it isn't a public source for any of them).
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@hrefna I’ve seen others express a similar sentiment and I realize I don’t know enough to know *why* it has caused this kind of reaction. If you have the time to give a little more color, I’d be very interested. Thanks!
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@davepeck Sure!
There are basically… I'll call it the three overlapping camps of negative reactions
There's the Anti-Corp reaction. People who will under no circumstances support something that meta is involved in when it comes to the fediverse. There's a fear of EEE and basically anything they touch is poison
There's the Conflation reaction. These are your people who view "Social Web" and "Fediverse" as broader terms and get squicked by trying to reduce them to AP https://deadsuperhero.com/2024/09/swf-icky-feeling/
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Finally there are what I'll term the "cynical" group that view this as being only capable of causing harm (either by sucking the air out of the room or by pushing in directions that don't address the core pain points) and at best being value-neutral. You can see my take in this regard here: https://hachyderm.io/@hrefna/113195719374062411
An earlier take of mine cuts it differently, but boils down to the same thing: https://hachyderm.io/@hrefna/113194201958175325
There are some variations on these that change their flavor.
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@davepeck e.g., in terms of the conflation, you get people who don't think that things should be conflated for a reason of _culture_ (because it's ahistorical and seems like self-aggrandizing from Evan), and you also get people who don't think that things should be conflated as a matter of _technology_ (because AP is a PITA to work with and this further seems to align with mastodon-as-defacto)
It comes out to the same point, but the reasons are different and people will have several reasons 3/3
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Yep. One thing I'd add on point #1 is that some of the pushback is specific to Meta, some in terms of the involvement of any large corporations in the fediverse, and some specifically in terms of Social Web Foundation's mission including ad-supported monetization. Of course they all blur together ... still, sometime last summer @[email protected] did an interesting pair of polls of people's reactions to Meta and Tumblr (also owned by a big corporation, also ad-funded) joining the fediverse, and the difference was noticeable.
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@jdp23 @hrefna @davepeck Yes, here's the poll results in question:
mcc (@[email protected])
Attached: 2 images Results from this poll: With ~620 respondents, 66% are opposed or alarmed to "Threads" [Instagram] joining Mastodon/Fediverse. 85% are supportive or indifferent to Tumblr doing the same. Here's why I made this poll: It seems odd at first the Fediverse is all about connecting platforms but its users are so vehemently opposed to "Threads". What this poll implies is Mastoverse users are *not* opposed to corporate presence in the Fediverse. This is a trust issue with Facebook *specifically*.
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
I think the results are suggestive. People have knee-jerk mistrust reactions to Facebook ("Meta"), or things that Facebook is involved in, in a way they do not react to other companies (and because of Facebook's history, I believe this is fundamentally rational).
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Thanks @[email protected]! Totally agree that it's fundamentally rational. And, over the last year, it's interesting to see how these different dynamics play out in the different reactions to Flipboard and Threads.
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@hrefna I was awaiting your response and thoughts on the matter.
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@damon I appreciate it! I expounded more here and in various things linking off from here, if you want more detail:
Hrefna (DHC) (@[email protected])
@[email protected] Sure! There are basically… I'll call it the three overlapping camps of negative reactions There's the Anti-Corp reaction. People who will under no circumstances support something that meta is involved in when it comes to the fediverse. There's a fear of EEE and basically anything they touch is poison There's the Conflation reaction. These are your people who view "Social Web" and "Fediverse" as broader terms and get squicked by trying to reduce them to AP https://deadsuperhero.com/2024/09/swf-icky-feeling/ 1/
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