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By your logic, you must be happy about climate change since you're okay with using the Internet which is mostly fueled by fossil fuels

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My point is that one person is only able to produce 1 second hand item at a time. So you're saying roughly 50% of the population gets to buy new and the other must by used. The logistics don't make sense long-term. I wear my clothes until they have holes in them. I'm not giving that shit to a thrift store, because they legitimately won't accept items like that. I know there are plenty of other people who do the same. Pants are actually the most consistently relatively expensive clothing item, usually costing $40-60. Because of that, I only own 3 or 4 pairs of pants and when they start getting tattered, they become my yardwork/garage work/etc pants until they legit fall apart. If everyone does this same approach, there isn't much of a second hand market, no?

The national average wage in the US according to the Social Security Administration is $66k. People are barely able to pay rent. According to various surveys, anywhere from 40-60% of Americans are living check to check. And a quick search shows the most purchased clothing brands include Under Armour, Levi, Adidas, Nike, Hanes, Fruit of the Loom, etc. All of those btands do make items that cost $50+, but they also sell tons of shit that's $20 to $30 or less.

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Time off is included in the living wage part -.- can't believe that needs to be said. These fucktards don't know how to maximize their wealth extraction. Motivated laborers will labor harder.

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Traditional Slavery is cheaper than paying a wage, so is modern slavery

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Fairphone makes ethical smartphones. I've got the latest model, it's good

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Oh, neat! I didn't realize that much like clothes there are ethical internet alternatives. Which do you use?

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Except most people aren't buying second hand, so you're complaining about a non-existent problem.

But if things really got to the point where many people were willing to buy second hand, there are in fact ethical brands as well for those who need new. Myself, I buy few things but as much as I can ethical either 2nd hand or from happy factories. (Though, goddamn I cannot find ethical boxers for a semi reasonable price. If you got tips...)

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Brother, I have a job to go to, I don't really have time to have a proper hobby and spend time with my partner let alone do volunteer work.

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The topic was phones.

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What's this reference to?

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Foxconn suicides - Wikipedia

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They installed nets as one way to address the problem.

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Remember what happened before the 2012 report?

The 2010 suicides prompted 20 Chinese universities to compile an 83-page report on Foxconn, which they described as a "labor camp". Interviews of 1,800 Foxconn workers at 12 factories found evidence of illegal overtime and failure to report accidents. The report also criticized Foxconn's management style, which it called inhumane and abusive. Additionally, long working hours, discrimination towards Mainland Chinese workers by their Taiwanese coworkers, and a lack of working relationships were all presented as potential problems in the university report.

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One thing I always feel should be pointed out is that Foxconn is enormous. When you look at the number of employees vs number of suicides, they're actually lower than the average company.

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But also to Fairphone paying a living wage.

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Plus housework, plus child rearing for some people.

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You shifted the topic to the internet.

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No, I used it as an easy example of why it doesn't really make sense to say that use of something doesn't equate to approval of everything behind it. And also as example of something one doesn't have much choice about.

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I want a Fairphone next soooooooo bad.

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Yea, those nets are really working!

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Yeah the nets are cheap, what they'll spend on is union busting.