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From what I've seen they kind of fall down into the net and it sinks, so it's pretty hard to climb up and over the edge. But I guess it's possible.

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This is the reason I imported a Fairphone 4 to the US (before they got a US vendor... Would not recommend it unless you want to work on your phone instead of having it just work. Im functionally locked to T-mobile, it has very unusual issues when Im on a call while moving and it was a bit pricy for what you get. But all that was worth it to be able to say I have a smartphone where noone died while making it.

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And that the costs are the same. Nets are likely much more expensive than living wages.

Theyll spend a billion so we dont get an extra million

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Suicide can often be a matter of convenience and impulse. Even putting pills in blister packs instead of bottles has been shown to reduce suicides by overdose. After England switched from coal gas to natural gas, not only did suicide by gas inhalation decrease, all suicides decreased.

Having nets will keep many people from even trying.

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Living Wage?

How about Animal Cage?

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We can just go ahead and put "society" at the bottom.

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There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. Please don't blame the average phone buyer.

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"Nets are likely more expensive than living wages" How do you figure?

More over, even if nets were less expensive than a living wage, how would that make the company any less evil?

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I might pick the evil route if I can Vince McMahon walk it, looking super smug, while "I AM GENIUS" blasts real loud. Seems like the cool thing to do.

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Foxconn: “We take offense to that. We make more than just phones. We also make TVs, PlayStations and EVs.”

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I hate the ccp as much as the next guy but these workers are being paid and given benefits. Its not slavery. It doesn't help to make false statements like this. If you want to attack foxcon there is plenty of actual points.

For example you could bring up the fair labor report that happened after this controversy and examined 3 foxcon factories in China and found that while workers starting wage was above minimum wage and most of the workers were far above minimum wage majority of the employees still said their salaries were not satisfactory to cover their needs.

Also foxcon addressed the concerns of that report after the investigation was concluded. Including improving health and safety, worker pay, hours worked and benefits.

Its far from slavery but its not denmark working conditions. However if I was Chinese I wouldnt say its a bad job. Lots of hours and decent wage + option of living on premises is good. The suicides definitely are not related to working conditions or we would see at least 5x more per year.

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That's a silly slogan, I get the appeal but I think it's just an easy way to avoid taking responsibility for our own decisions.

At the very least, there is better and worse consumption. It is utter nonsense to say that buying something made possible by modern day slavery is the same as paying a local artisan for something.

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Second hand isn't always practical. For some things, sure. But definitely not even for most things. And if everyone did it regularly, it'd be even less practical/reliable.

And again, you have a wildly inaccurate view of what most folks are spending on clothes. There's a reason Walmart and other affordable clothing stores like Target, Kohl's etc are so widely available and used across the US.

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I don't think "yeah sure, that'd be great but if we all started doing good things it wouldn't work!" is a particularly valid critique. We are nowhere near the point of too many people buying second hand clothes.

Yes, cheap stores are common.

But the most valuable brands in America are not at the cheap level, they are things like Nike, Levi's and The Gap. Hell, even in progressive bastions so many people are rocking Arcteryx, REI etc, none of which are cheap.

Again, go to any downtown, look at the outfits and consider how much they cost. Just the same as people wearing hundreds of dollars in jewelry (yes, there's costume jewelry but that's not what most folks are wearing downtown.)

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By your logic, you must be happy about climate change since you're okay with using the Internet which is mostly fueled by fossil fuels

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My point is that one person is only able to produce 1 second hand item at a time. So you're saying roughly 50% of the population gets to buy new and the other must by used. The logistics don't make sense long-term. I wear my clothes until they have holes in them. I'm not giving that shit to a thrift store, because they legitimately won't accept items like that. I know there are plenty of other people who do the same. Pants are actually the most consistently relatively expensive clothing item, usually costing $40-60. Because of that, I only own 3 or 4 pairs of pants and when they start getting tattered, they become my yardwork/garage work/etc pants until they legit fall apart. If everyone does this same approach, there isn't much of a second hand market, no?

The national average wage in the US according to the Social Security Administration is $66k. People are barely able to pay rent. According to various surveys, anywhere from 40-60% of Americans are living check to check. And a quick search shows the most purchased clothing brands include Under Armour, Levi, Adidas, Nike, Hanes, Fruit of the Loom, etc. All of those btands do make items that cost $50+, but they also sell tons of shit that's $20 to $30 or less.

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Time off is included in the living wage part -.- can't believe that needs to be said. These fucktards don't know how to maximize their wealth extraction. Motivated laborers will labor harder.

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Traditional Slavery is cheaper than paying a wage, so is modern slavery

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Fairphone makes ethical smartphones. I've got the latest model, it's good

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Oh, neat! I didn't realize that much like clothes there are ethical internet alternatives. Which do you use?