Hard decisions

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Consumers: Well, that's fine!

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consumers: my boss says i need a smartphone for MFA and will only give me a small stipend

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I love the notion of a Mcdonald's employee needing MFA.

Or that the only reason people buy smartphones is for MFA (in the years before widespread MFA, I'm sure they were getting them because they knew MFA was just around the corner.)

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This meme implies they even considered the possibility of paying a fair wage.

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What are the wages they are paid? I would be surprised if the assembly line workers were getting a lower than average wage for the country the factory resided in.

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Where can we buy ethically made phones, clothes, etc that we can easily afford? I can assure you most people aren't buying $200 pants/shirts.

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Some people be like that.

But also there is so much toxic stuff with our world its impossible to avoid all of it. You cant do good on all the fronts at once.

To illustrate (this is not a personal critique,

Lets say your deciding to not have that phone and only get clothes you know are made fairly.

Good job. But are you still driving that dirty car? Even if its electric your still a part of the to overpaving of natural ground.

How about turning vegetarian because we aint blind for the animal cruelty. And don't forget to donate to safe the sea projects because on a water based planet the health of the ocean is always the most important conversation of the day.

While were at it we should probably quit or jobs because the modern economy is screwing everyone and killing
The future.

I am just illustrating. People have needs, lives and others to take care off. With out limited energy we can try and put some towards doing something good. We have to respect the choices people make to do that good. Even if its not our personal branch of activism.

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If you install nets just below rooftop edges to catch jumpers... What stops them jumping down to the net, then jumping from the net?

Slave labour doesn't require u pay a wage. That's why the CCP does it.

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Any second hand store means you're not contributing to the problem!

And look at what people are wearing on any downtown street and ask how much that outfit cost etc.

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I like that viewpoint, I just don't think it really applies to most people.

I'm sure many people have causes about which they care but beyond ranting online, I'd suggest very little of it gets translated to action.

I think you're right, people are tired, have limited energy etc but having volunteered at a few charities and seeing how desperate so many are for volunteers who aren't retired, well, it makes you a little cynical.

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From what I've seen they kind of fall down into the net and it sinks, so it's pretty hard to climb up and over the edge. But I guess it's possible.

Bahnd Rollard

This is the reason I imported a Fairphone 4 to the US (before they got a US vendor... Would not recommend it unless you want to work on your phone instead of having it just work. Im functionally locked to T-mobile, it has very unusual issues when Im on a call while moving and it was a bit pricy for what you get. But all that was worth it to be able to say I have a smartphone where noone died while making it.

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And that the costs are the same. Nets are likely much more expensive than living wages.

Theyll spend a billion so we dont get an extra million

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Suicide can often be a matter of convenience and impulse. Even putting pills in blister packs instead of bottles has been shown to reduce suicides by overdose. After England switched from coal gas to natural gas, not only did suicide by gas inhalation decrease, all suicides decreased.

Having nets will keep many people from even trying.

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Living Wage?

How about Animal Cage?

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We can just go ahead and put "society" at the bottom.

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There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. Please don't blame the average phone buyer.

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"Nets are likely more expensive than living wages" How do you figure?

More over, even if nets were less expensive than a living wage, how would that make the company any less evil?

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I might pick the evil route if I can Vince McMahon walk it, looking super smug, while "I AM GENIUS" blasts real loud. Seems like the cool thing to do.