Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @ducksauz @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche
We are looking at two separate things then, because from everything I have seen, Harris is the candidate who keeps talking about the need for a ceasefire and general de-escalation, while Trump has outright stated that he wants to give Netanyahu bigger bombs, more leeway, and deport all Palestinians Because he claims they are all criminals and terrorists. He has even literally said he wants to have protesters shot.Kamala Harris will allow Palestinians who are here to stay where it's safe until it's over, Kamala Harris will support food and medical aid to the people there, and Kamala Harris will be more aggressive about forcing the Israeli government into peace negotiations.
The difference is night and day.
At the end of the election, the only way to stop this will to pressure whoever wins. The odds are a lot better with Harris than they are with Trump.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Eugen Rochko last edited by [email protected]
@Gargron
I am highly concerned, as a moderator on this platform, that if Trump wins, there is a certainty that he will let Elon Musk call the shots at the #FCC and #FEC as a kickback for his full support for the campaign, which will directly threaten the North #American #Fediverse #servers. I need to post the full endorsement here, but I am definitely telling people on this network that they need to VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS, if for no other reason than to keep our comms open. -
nicdex 🇨🇦 🇺🇦replied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: last edited by
@Raccoon this is why, if Trump wins, I'm moving TechHub back to Canada.
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BattleBot23replied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: last edited by
@Raccoon @gwm @ducksauz @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche Sure Trump said to end it quickly because of the optics and Republicans have floated using nukes. I’m sure the Trump/Stein voters will have the greatest humanitarian outcome unraveling decades of the US supporting Israel. What could possibly go wrong?
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@Gargron
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@gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
"Duverger presents the example of an election in which 100,000 moderate voters and 80,000 radical voters are to vote for candidates for a single seat or office. If two moderate parties ran candidates and one radical candidate ran (and every voter voted), the radical candidate would tend to win unless one of the moderate candidates gathered fewer than 20,000 votes."
The US didn't get a 2nd round of orange cheato 2020 because people got their shit together and did not repeat the mistake of voting 3rd party in 2016 (in which 3rd parties trippled and quadrupled in comparison to previous elections).
2016 had a turnout of 6% voting 3rd party, whereas 2020 had 2% voting 3rd party.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/
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@benroyce @GregArcus @gooba42 @whknott @NZedAUS @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
Greg abuses people with PTSD
Remove your shitpost, Greg
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@Gargron fashists? The left you mean?
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@fiberologist @gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
Before I continue, I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, Biden in 2020, and Harris by mail this year. I haven't been ignorant enough to vote Republican since the 1990s, and I'll never make that mistake again.
The centrist rage against third parties is unfair. Our enemies are the people supporting Trump, not the people voting third party. "You're either with us, or you're against us!" is exactly the kind of false dichotomy fascists use.
If Harris loses, it will be because the Biden Administration would literally - literally - rather support the Palestinian genocide than improve their odds of beating Trump. (And before anyone else says "Trump would make the genocide worse!" - "The other guy would commit genocide too!" is not a valid argument.)
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@firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
"centrist rage against third parties is unfair"
i stopped reading here
the usa is a fptp voting system
a 3rd party vote can only strip votes from another party -> the party you dislike most wins
viable 3rd parties require ranked choice voting
support that
"americans" who say they vote 3rd party are either morons hurting their own cause, or geopolitical troll farm trying to swing the election
welcome to reality
learn it
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@benroyce @firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
Here's a decent video discussing Jill Stein's investment in the fossil fuel industry despite asserting that she cares about global warming.It also highlights how she is the reason that we even had to have a first Trump administration too.
#JillStein #VatnikSoup
https://youtu.be/H0GFCPsXusI?si=iqguBlJ4n6EGAsDi -
This is amazing. #JillStein is just a flat-out Russian agent, isn't she? Where did she even get the $8.5 Million that she has invested in the fossil fuel, defense, banking, and tobacco industries? Has she ever had a job?
She hires Republican consulting firms... She's represented by Trump's lawyers... She targets only Dem voters, only in swing states... How the hell did we make it this easy for Putin??
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@barney @GreenFire @benroyce @firebreathingduck @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 Jill Stein is not a Russian agent.
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firebreathingduckreplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @barney @GreenFire @benroyce @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
"It also highlights how she is the reason that we even had to have a first Trump administration too."
That's funny, I could have sworn the reason we had a first Trump administration was Republican voters.
How silly of me.
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@firebreathingduck @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
for the 25th time in this thread:
in a fptp voting system, a 3rd party vote serves as a spoiler on the party closest to you, and de facto support for the one furthest from you
this is the reality
i don't like that reality, but i live in reality
do you?
my question for the trolls here working hard to elect trump to get us more genocide by supporting 3rd party:
do. you. understand. the. usa. is. a. fptp. voting. system.
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@benroyce @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
For the 3rd time on this thread, if not the 25th:
1. I *did* decide that Trump is so much of a threat, that I voted for Harris. My refusal to vote Democrat again until they stop the genocide starts next year, assuming Trump is defeated.
2. The people de facto supporting the party furthest from me are the people that actually vote for the party furthest from me. Again, you're making a fascist, false dichotomy "If you're not with us, you're against us" argument.
If "harm reduction" is the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of civilians, maybe we're not worth saving.
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@firebreathingduck @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
i appreciate you voted for harris
so why are you here trying to minimize the problem of 3rd party voting?
do
you
understand
the
usa
is
a
fptp
voting
system
helllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooo
"Again, you're making a fascist, false dichotomy "If you're not with us, you're against us" argument"
no, galaxy brain, IT'S JUST MATH
learn
you are uneducated
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@benroyce @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
The Democrats are never going to move left, as long as their current policy of "Fuck you all, the Republicans are worse" and promising all kinds of progressive policies they never intend to deliver wins elections.
I live in Pennsylvania. Voters in PA can't even make ballot initiatives to change state laws or the state constitution. All ballot initiatives have to come from the state legislature, which will never voluntarily give the citizens the power to break the two party duopoly.
When enough people vote third party, the Democrats might decide they need to deliver on their campaign promises. Until then, they'll keep marching us to hell by using Republicans as extortion.
(Edit: for anyone that stumbles across this post without seeing the rest of the thread: I voted for Harris, I voted for Biden, I voted for Hillary Clinton. I consider Trump a unique threat. But going forward, I'm done.)
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George Maschkereplied to firebreathingduck last edited by
@firebreathingduck @benroyce @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 The Democrats have triangulated me straight out of the Party.
