Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

while i can tend to agree with you, getting us ranked choice voting will be difficult enough as it is. but doable. while converting the usa to a parliamentary system is many many orders of magnitude harder to achieve

there's even better voting systems than ranked choice. that i would prefer to support. but i throw my weight behind ranked choice because it has the most momentum

it's all about small steps, what we can achieve, to make things better

George Maschke

@benroyce @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I'm an American living and working abroad.

Wyatt H Knott

@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Ranked choice voting is going to make people stop voting. If I have to give any percentage of my vote to someone I have no interest in giving ANY mandate to, then I'd rather burn the whole thing down.

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

working for putin

as a fool who doesn't understand the voting system of their own country and what fptp and duvergers law does to the value of a third party vote

vote democrat, and support those candidates that will give us ranked choice

then we can truly vote our conscience, third party, something i want

and something you want, but you're currently working against your own goals. because you don't understand the american voting system

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

that's not how it works

you just literally rank your choices

from your favorite to your least

here watch this video

#aussies call it preferential voting, but it's the same thing as #rankedchoicevoting #rcv

DrD

@benroyce @whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut And they have compulsory voting !

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@NZedAUS @whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

i used to like that concept

but i've grown cool to compulsory voting

because you can force someone to the voting booth, but you can't force them to *care*

so they will just vote for joke candidates

but wait...

come to think of it, farce candidates are still better than MAGA malice

ok, i'm for compulsory voting again

Urzl

@benroyce @NZedAUS @whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I like compulsory voting coupled with a mandate that every ballot issue includes "Abstain" and "No Confidence" options. Anyone who doesn't care or doesn't know is then allowed to say so explicitly without mathematically advantaging someone at random.

Staying home now is mathematically a signal "every candidate is equally great by me, I'm supporting whoever gets the majority". You can't really dissent passively now.

George Maschke

@benroyce @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Accusing those with whom you disagree of "working for Putin" is redolent of McCarthyism.

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

but you are working for putin

supporting third party candidates only serves as a spoiler on democrats and therefore helps get us trump

many troll brigades know this, and push the same lies you push

they prey on the ignorant who do not understand the american voting system

if you are not such a troll, you serve them unwittingly

do you understand the concept of someone who cares deeply, but the effect of their actions only hurts their own cause?

George Maschke

@benroyce @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I understand how our electoral system works. I reject your conclusion that voting Blue no matter genocide is a rational or moral choice.

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

you absolutely do not understand the american voting system

twice i have linked to you duverger's law

veuillez lire et comprendre les paroles de monsieur duverger, car vos paroles sont profondément et fièrement ignorantes en ce moment

if you vote blue you get *better* on the issue of genocide

if you vote green you help get us red, which is *worse* on the issue of genocide

the ironclad truth is your current words and actions give us more genocide

Phil Johnston

@benroyce @gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut it’s like you’re in a car at a T intersection stop sign where you can turn right or left.

But because you want the road to keep going you decide to drive off the cliff. That’ll show ‘em!

George Maschke

@johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut No, it's not like that.

Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@gwm @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche Yet you can't actually form a argument for why it's not like that, can you? You just don't want it to be.

Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦

@gwm @benroyce @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I completely get why you don't want to vote for a candidate who has enabled genocide. I wouldn't either. It totally sucks.

But the fact is the choice is between someone who has enabled genocide in the middle east, but might possibly do something to rein it in, or someone who will positively support genocide both in the the middle east and in Ukraine.

There is no no-genocide option here. The only question is how many genocides you want.

George Maschke

@WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche It's not like that because voting for Jill Stein is not like driving off a cliff. My vote Jill Stein isn't going to kill me (or anyone else).

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @Mourioche

10 people in a room

4 want genocide

6 do not

they vote

4 vote genocide

3 vote not genocide

3 vote "i am a toxic idealist who expects perfection"

pro-genocide carries the vote and commits it

this analogy represents the only real value of a third party vote in the broken ass american fptp voting system

you are a toxic idealist, harming your own cause

George Maschke

@statsguy @benroyce @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut There IS a no-genocide option. Her name is Jill Stein. I voted for her.

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@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @Mourioche

Understand that people want clarity, and are upset that Harris has not come right out and told them what they want to hear. But, before she can do what they want her to do, she has to win the election first. The nasty reality of electoral politics in the US right now is she is forced to be less than direct because of all the constituencies involved. The point is she can't end the war if she is not elected.

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