This is new, extremely dangerous territory.
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@TomDB @petergleick @chris in the eyes of his stans this looks like a righteous act of rebellion and pretection of whatever definition of "free speech" they use to justify the rampant hate speech
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@saxnot @TomDB @petergleick @chris
"freedom of speech" is only one of the ingredients for a democracy, and by far not the most important one.Rule of law is certainly at least as important.
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@yacc143 @TomDB @petergleick @chris I don't know what jurisdiction musk pretends to be in.
The case for brazil is clear. Real lawyers thought about it and the results are in.I know freedom of speech from my country (germany)
Hate was never tolerated
Sedition was never tolerated
Disproven falsehoods were never tolerated.I can't claim toothpaste heals cancer (lie) or the jews cause cancer (hate) or say so to incite rebel (sedition).
Every "Freedom" needs a limit to self-preserve
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@saxnot @TomDB @petergleick @chris
Oh, for Brazil it is simple too. A very senior judge issues orders. You follow these, try to appeal those (that was still a possibility), or you accept the consequences.
And if you don't respect the local laws, the consequences can be quite often that you are kicked out of the country. For βvirtualβ Internet companies, that happens βvirtuallyβ usually by being filtered at DNS/IP level.
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@yacc143 @TomDB @petergleick @chris for twitter via regular cable this is quite easy.
Starlink (if anyone even uses it there) does not want to comply despite having shown capabilities in the past. It's the musing of a madman who thinks he's above the law.In a way this is a good thing.
Billionaires act outside the law but only one of them is stupid enough to make big media fuzz out of it.
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when i was young i thought the villains in james bond movies were ridiculous
but no, jokes on us
#elonmusk is an actual bond villain
not only ignoring or whining about a nation's laws, but, in mad cackling moustache twirling #plutocrat style, openly warring with a nation with high tech against their control and ability to do anything about it: #starlink will still deliver #twitter in #brazil
what a world
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Zii0replied to Ben Royce πΊπΈπΊπ¦ Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @petergleick This totally invalidates his argument saying SpaceX and X are 2 separate companies when Brazil blocked SpaceX accounts
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Ben Royce πΊπΈπΊπ¦ Don't Boo: Votereplied to Zii0 last edited by
#elonmusk's whining #twitter and #starlink are separate companies is a "winning" argument in some #usa court of law, on unrelated details
but the issue here is law of #brazil
brazil considers the two companies linked, and that's what prevails
the law of brazil takes precedence over some theoretical usa #corporate law argument, and definitely takes precedence over an edgelord manchild #plutocrat whining
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Snowshadowreplied to Ben Royce πΊπΈπΊπ¦ Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce
We need more countries to stand up to Musk!
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@Snowshadow @zii_0 @petergleick
the problem is #elonmusk is "winning" by embarrassing #brazil. ignoring their laws and brazil unable to do anything about satellites delivering #twitter
even if brazil convinces the #usa to intervene and #geofence brazil out of #starlink by force, all the fascist losers love musk more as some "hero"
in my fantasy life, the usa delivers elon to brazilian authorities
but this world has a real problem with holding #plutocrats responsible, especially the usa
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Cassandrareplied to Ben Royce πΊπΈπΊπ¦ Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @Snowshadow @zii_0 @petergleick Any possibility this leads to satellites getting blown up?
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@Cassandra
That would lead to a Kessler effect, polluting the atmosphere
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@Snowshadow @Cassandra @zii_0 @petergleick
#starlink satellites are really low, I'm guessing the Kessler effect doesn't apply
In fact starlink satellites by design are constantly falling out of the sky burning up and constantly replaced
Kessler is more for the satellites up high where if they broke up the debris remain forever
#Brazil can't laser them or shoot them because there's 6,500 of them, it would have to shut down/ degrade the whole network by taking out enough. Maybe they should!
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@benroyce
Thanks for the correction. But wouldn't destroying those lower orbit ones also contribute to pollution as they burn? They are made of metals no one should be adding to our air.
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@Snowshadow @Cassandra @zii_0 @petergleick
it's a real thing:
Mastodon Migration (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image So, over in the astronomy world there is some consternation about a tweet from eminent satellite tracker Jonathan McDowell. Apparently "Starlink Precipitation" is now a thing. And yes, you got that right, Starlink precipitation is pieces of Elon Musk's fucking internet satellites raining down from space. See also this post from @[email protected]: https://mastodon.social/@carlysagan/112448150797509408
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Ben Royce πΊπΈπΊπ¦ Don't Boo: Votereplied to Ben Royce πΊπΈπΊπ¦ Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@Snowshadow @Cassandra @zii_0 @petergleick
even more notably: it's a big story that came about from #mastodon posts by an astronomer in #saskatchewan, professor sam lawler @sundogplanets , about #spacex debris raining down on #canada:
Prof. Sam Lawler (@[email protected])
This is the best way possible to (maybe?) end this epic thread! Here is the story of the Saskatchewan SpaceX debris fall, written by me, published by Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/spacex-dropped-space-junk-on-my-neighbors-farm-heres-what-happened-next/ Many of you got to see this story unfold in real-time toots, but this is the whole thing, plus some extra science context. Extra special thank you to @[email protected] and @laurahelmuth for encouraging me to pitch the story to SciAm! I am so excited to publish in a magazine I read all the time as a kid.
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
that's the last toot in a long thread that's a great read
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@Snowshadow @benroyce @Cassandra @zii_0 @petergleick The Kessler Syndrome can definitely happen at Starlink orbital altitudes. Debris from 550 km atlitudes takes a few decades to deorbit "naturally". That's a long time to not be able to use Low Earth Orbit if they make a mistake. And they plan to launch tens of thousands more satellites into that same orbital shell, which is already the densest part of orbit. It's really bad.
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@sundogplanets @Snowshadow @Cassandra @zii_0 @petergleick
i didn't think it was that bad but i stand corrected and that's really galling
it also sounds like light pollution on steroids interfering with our ability to study the heavens
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Prof. Sam Lawlerreplied to Ben Royce πΊπΈπΊπ¦ Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @Snowshadow @Cassandra @zii_0 @petergleick Yeah, I saw dozens of them last night while stargazing from super dark skies The vast majority of satellites you can see with your eyes are Starlinks.