They/Them
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me copy pasting a line of code in 20 different places just to go back and make a function for it
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naw bro I get chopsticks on amazon
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because not everyone is terminally online.
LGBT people exist irl too, you'd be surprised how many there are once you get to know them. People you never would've thought were lgbt you can now recognize. I'm from Florida which is pretty conservative and I know 5+ trans people (including non-binary).
They're pretty cool too! I have a trans guy friend who will absolutely LOVE to talk about how cars work and fishing spots given the chance. He taught me how to change the oil on my car. I'm hoping to get him a blahaj for Christmas
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Calling people what they ask to be called just doesn't have to be this difficult.
We in fact do it all the time. It's just people have gotten used to using names. But it's not like you were born with a Dave chromosome. Your parents decided to call you Dave, so in the end it's also just a made up name/sound.
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We agree. We make he/him obsolete and we're all she/her.
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The singular "they"
Pre-dates singular "you"The same way rights were ore-dated by no rights?
'older' is not always 'better'. Make your point, but don't hinge it on a false comparison.
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Tea hers didn't know vapid influencers would exist.
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On the internet nobody knows you are a horse.
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"he/him" probably isn't he/him in their non-gendered language. In some languages there's no he or she, there's only a pronoun that means "that person"
Armenian, Persian, Tagalog, Finnish, Georgian, Turkish &c
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Other commenters have already covered the you/thou thing, so to cover the printing press bit: that did happen, but with a different word. "Ye" as in "Ye Olde Village Inn" is the one. The "ye" here is "the", and it was pronounced as "the" too. It would have been spelled "ΓΎe" before, and in blackletter style (π±π₯π¦π° π°π±πΆπ©π’ π¬π£ π©π’π±π±π’π―π¦π«π€), "y" and "ΓΎ" looked awfully similar. If your press came from a country that didn't use the thorn - and many presses in Europe did - and therefore didn't have that character available, then you'd just use the y since they were close enough anyway
A similar thing happened with the letter yogh (Θ) in Scotland. It wasn't in most presses, but it looks close enough to a z, so just use a z, and now the name "Menzies" is spelled that way despite being pronounced "ming-iss"
That this "ye" is spelled the same way as the second person plural subject pronoun "ye" is a total coincidence
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Yeah it can take a while to get used to, especially if you knew the person before they changed their pronouns. But the point is it isnt incompatible with our language at all. I think the last panel would be better if it showed the (transphobic) guy and another person and he says "this activist said the craziest thing to me today" and then the second person says "oh yeah, what'd THEY say" because then the 'they' pronoun would be directly referring to the person who wanted to be called 'they' in the first place.
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[email protected]replied to CarrotsHaveEars last edited by
Mate, english is my second language too and this is not that confusing.
Singular they/them has been here for hundreds of years and using it as a gender neutral alternative to she/her and he/him isnt shit, its part of the english language.
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The "terminally online" aspect is the obsession with pronouns, which doesn't seem to exist in reality.
I know quite a few LGBT people and even work with someone who is trans. None of them have ever once mentioned anything about pronouns. Because we just conversed like normal people.
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Also singular they is older than singular you. So any idiots who complain that "they" should only be plural should only be using thou/thee for second person singular.
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"I was with Dan (they/them) and Steve (he/him) the other day. They forgot a poster they needed and went back to the car to get it."
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it is fairly common to use the third person pronoun of someone during a group conversation, even while they are there
But is improper to do so. The proper way to refer to a person who is present is by using their name.
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maybe i have never been in proper situations, then, because in my experience, people will use pronouns or names indistinctly
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Yeah. Lol. I figured that out, too, eventually.
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One thing that might help it feel less strange is realising that you already use a grammatically plural pronoun to refer to individuals all the time: the word "you". It's always "you are tall", not "you is tall", same as "we" or "they" instead of "he" or "she". This is because it was historically plural, and "thou" was the singular. Over time we started using the plural to be more polite, and then eventually always using it.
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I mean, I'm mid 30s, and it took me a long time to internalize "he, she, they" rather than "he, she, it". It's just how they were used when I was growing up. Fortunately, I've had the opportunity to learn and grow. At the end of the day, just speak with respect and make sure you listen as much as, or more than, speak.